more than a little OT - Re: My writing on the Wicd web page

[Shannon McMackin]

On 05/26/2009 04:25 PM, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
> Ray Leventhal wrote:
>> Raquel wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 26 May 2009 05:41:51 -0600
>>> "Karl F. Larsen"<klarsen1 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>      If your using the deb file you d/l from the wicd web site you
>>>> must manually delete the Network-Manager. You have seen the web
>>>> page that claims to add wcid to your Hardy and 8.10 repository.
>>>> Alas this doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>> Why is it that so many of us testify that it works for us but you
>>> still claim it doesn't for you?  That leads me to ask what you are
>>> doing wrong.
>>>
>>>
>> @ Raquel +1
>>
>> @Karl,
>>
>> Despite clear instructions to the contrary, which included reasons WHY
>> you should not use the .deb files which are not obtained from a listed
>> repository.  When using a package based distro, like Ubuntu or Debian,
>> Red Hat or CentOS, installing using the package management system keeps
>> you up to date semi automagically.
>>
>> By installing the .deb package manually you technically 'broke' the
>> paradigm and won't receive wicd updates when the community makes them
>> available.  To fix that, you'll need to remove the wicd you installed
>> manually, and re-add it using synaptic, apt-get or aptitude.  These
>> tools are here for a reason.  The reason is that they aid in applying
>> fixes, updates, security patches and more...AND they resolve dependencies.
>>
>> <rant>
>> I find myself chuckling whenever I read posts you've written, Karl.
>> Glaring, broad brush statements like 'keyring and network-manager are a
>> bad combination' show nothing other than your lack of understanding of
>> how a well put together distro functions.  I'm not doubting your
>> intelligence or abilities, just your seeming inability to think before
>> hitting 'send'.
>>
>> Just because something doesn't work for you, doesn't mean its broken or
>> riddled with bugs.  As a long term GNU/Linux user I can attest to the
>> fact that Ubuntu is one of the finest distros for end-users/desktop
>> installations I've ever tried.  Yes, I can and have had slackware
>> working on my laptop...but it was too much work.  Whereas this fine
>> distro worked out of the box.
>>
>> Here's a piece of advice I know you probably won't heed.  Get a blog.
>> Use that space to rant and make broad-brush statements.  Here, take a
>> breath before hitting 'send'.  I know I'll be happier with this list if
>> you'd do that one thing.
>> </rant>
>>
>> <rant2>
>> I mean no disrespect to anyone on this list.  I admire those who ask as
>> well as the kind, more experienced users who answer the questions posted
>> here.  But this is not a blog.  I read with interest the long thread on
>> moderating this list and while I wish it weren't needed, I wholly
>> subscribe to the idea.  I subscribe to many lists, most of which are
>> moderated and very few of those *ever* have need for a moderator to step
>> in.  Anyone interested in reading the archives, view the users-list for
>> CentOS, or the css-d list.  These are moderated, highly active and
>> extremely informative.
>>
>> The usefulness of this list is diminished by OT posts and wild ravings
>> which are the result of laziness or lack of understanding and not
>> shortcomings of the distro, its package management system or the
>> available packages.  And yes, I recognize that this post has flown
>> wildly into the OT realm and for that reason I'll end it here.
>> </rant2>
>>
>>
>> With apologies for the added noise,
>> -Ray
>>
>>
>      You should be sorry you got up this morning. All you seem to be able
> to do is complain. You never help anyone.
>
>
> Karl
>
>
Karl, he's trying to help you with some solid advice...  I don't know 
why you get so cross with people sometimes.  It seems like you have no 
open mind and tolerance for the fact that someone is giving you guidance.