more than a little OT - Re: My writing on the Wicd web page

[Karl F. Larsen]

Ray Leventhal wrote:
> Raquel wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, 26 May 2009 05:41:51 -0600
>> "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>     If your using the deb file you d/l from the wicd web site you
>>> must manually delete the Network-Manager. You have seen the web
>>> page that claims to add wcid to your Hardy and 8.10 repository.
>>> Alas this doesn't work.
>>>
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>       
>> Why is it that so many of us testify that it works for us but you
>> still claim it doesn't for you?  That leads me to ask what you are
>> doing wrong.
>>
>>     
> @ Raquel +1
>
> @Karl,
>
> Despite clear instructions to the contrary, which included reasons WHY 
> you should not use the .deb files which are not obtained from a listed 
> repository.  When using a package based distro, like Ubuntu or Debian, 
> Red Hat or CentOS, installing using the package management system keeps 
> you up to date semi automagically.
>
> By installing the .deb package manually you technically 'broke' the 
> paradigm and won't receive wicd updates when the community makes them 
> available.  To fix that, you'll need to remove the wicd you installed 
> manually, and re-add it using synaptic, apt-get or aptitude.  These 
> tools are here for a reason.  The reason is that they aid in applying 
> fixes, updates, security patches and more...AND they resolve dependencies.
>
> <rant>
> I find myself chuckling whenever I read posts you've written, Karl. 
> Glaring, broad brush statements like 'keyring and network-manager are a 
> bad combination' show nothing other than your lack of understanding of 
> how a well put together distro functions.  I'm not doubting your 
> intelligence or abilities, just your seeming inability to think before 
> hitting 'send'.
>
> Just because something doesn't work for you, doesn't mean its broken or 
> riddled with bugs.  As a long term GNU/Linux user I can attest to the 
> fact that Ubuntu is one of the finest distros for end-users/desktop 
> installations I've ever tried.  Yes, I can and have had slackware 
> working on my laptop...but it was too much work.  Whereas this fine 
> distro worked out of the box.
>
> Here's a piece of advice I know you probably won't heed.  Get a blog. 
> Use that space to rant and make broad-brush statements.  Here, take a 
> breath before hitting 'send'.  I know I'll be happier with this list if 
> you'd do that one thing.
> </rant>
>
> <rant2>
> I mean no disrespect to anyone on this list.  I admire those who ask as 
> well as the kind, more experienced users who answer the questions posted 
> here.  But this is not a blog.  I read with interest the long thread on 
> moderating this list and while I wish it weren't needed, I wholly 
> subscribe to the idea.  I subscribe to many lists, most of which are 
> moderated and very few of those *ever* have need for a moderator to step 
> in.  Anyone interested in reading the archives, view the users-list for 
> CentOS, or the css-d list.  These are moderated, highly active and 
> extremely informative.
>
> The usefulness of this list is diminished by OT posts and wild ravings 
> which are the result of laziness or lack of understanding and not 
> shortcomings of the distro, its package management system or the 
> available packages.  And yes, I recognize that this post has flown 
> wildly into the OT realm and for that reason I'll end it here.
> </rant2>
>
>
> With apologies for the added noise,
> -Ray
>
>   
    You should be sorry you got up this morning. All you seem to be able 
to do is complain. You never help anyone.


Karl


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