ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 57, Issue 231
Erasmus, P, Mnr <perasmus@sun.ac.za>
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Wed May 13 19:26:10 UTC 2009
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Virtual Website Problems (Irving Leonard)
2. Re: Binary incompatibility of Linux distributions (Odd)
3. Re: Permission (Karl F. Larsen)
4. Re: kubuntu-desktop (Karl F. Larsen)
5. Installing user apps (Verde Denim)
6. Re: About root (Reeyarn)
7. Re: Evolution send mail though proxy setting, how to? --
2.26.1 still doesn't work! (Derek Broughton)
8. Re: Cannot see Samsung u900 as Mass Storage device (Dotan Cohen)
9. Re: Cannot see Samsung u900 as Mass Storage device (Dotan Cohen)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:21:02 -0400
From: Irving Leonard <irving.lp at feestudiantes.cujae.edu.cu>
Subject: Re: Virtual Website Problems
To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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On Martes 12 Mayo 2009 06:10:49 AM Erasmus, P, Mnr <perasmus at sun.ac.za>
escribi?:
> Hi There,
>
> I am running Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy, as a virtual apache server. I have about 10
> websites running from this machine. One of my websites, I have setup access
> control with an .htaccess file. My problem is that on the local network I
> can access the website and login, but from outside it does not want to
> work. In my apache log I get the following message.
>
> Wed May 06 10:02:38 2009] [error] [client 41.208.11.176] user test:
> authentication failure for "/example/test/example": Password Mismatch
>
> My password on the website has a few special characters, when removing the
> characters it work fine from outside. Password characters &!@. I just want
> to know how is it that when using this characters in my password, the
> website does not want to work from the outside of my network. But it still
> works from inside.
>
Are you using the same computer (maybe a laptop) to access from both sides?
Maybe there is a problem with encoding, that is very common with apache.
--
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irving
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Thanks for your response, no this is happening from multiple workstations outside the network. I have changed the password to a basic password without characters and it is working fine now, but I feel the easy password is going to make the network unsecure.
Paul
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:31:10 +0200
From: Odd <iodine at runbox.no>
Subject: Re: Binary incompatibility of Linux distributions
To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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Derek Broughton wrote:
> Odd wrote:
>
>> Steven Susbauer wrote:
>>> On Tue, 12 May 2009 10:33:43 -0500, Odd <iodine at runbox.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do see their point, but from an end-user's POV, it's a hassle.
>>> Not a large one, and many binaries are perfectly compatible. Recompiling
>>> software is not really that hard, and a good way to avoid
>> End-users mostly aren't capable of that, and they shouldnt
>> need to be. If you want Linux to become more than a geek-only
>> OS, you need to realize this. Installing apps should be as easy,
>> or easier, than on Windows.
>
> It already _is_. You can just point and click on any software _intended_
> for Ubuntu and get it automatically installed. Just like on Windows.
Only stuff that's already in the repositories. And no, that isn't "just
like on Windows".
> The
> huge advantage that Ubuntu (or any Linux distro) has over Windows is that
> you can also, with a little bit of work, install thousands of other packages
> that were never intended to run on Ubuntu.
That little bit of work is way over the head of most users. If we want
Linux to succeed, we should even remove the need for that. But as
I see below, you don't care about Linux being successful.
>>> incompatibilities between distros is to only share the source code (if
>>> sharing software), or use one distro and stop jumping around (unless
>>> willing to deal with minor differences ;) )
>> This too is over the head of most end-users. The sooner we take
>> that into account, the better it will be for Linux adoption.
>
> Why? What part of "use one distro and stop jumping around" is too hard for
> _any_ user? imo, the sooner people stop complaining that "it's too hard",
> when it's at least as easy as on Windows, the better it will be for Linux
> adoption. Not that I actually care about Linux adoption. People will use
> the OS they want...
If you don't care, then you've ruled yourself out of this discussion
already.
I actually want Linux to be very successful on the desktop.
--
Odd
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:44:51 -0600
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Permission
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allen meyers wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 15:54 +0200, Nils Kassube wrote:
>
>> Allen Meyers wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Nils Kassube <kassube at gmx.net>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> What file system did you use (ext2/3, FAT, NTFS)?
>>>>
>>> Anyway the concern that persists is permission related. Both
>>> partitions are mounted, original partition I have permission, new one
>>> I do not. So it comes down to ownership I guess 2nd partition.
>>> Do I want to do as you advised
>>> sudo mkdir /media/New_Partition_On_USB_Disk/$USER
>>>
>>>
>>>> sudo chown $USER: /media/New_Partition_On_USB_Disk/$USER
>>>>
>>> in light of what I discovered?
>>>
>> Well, you didn't answer the question about the file system. Just in case
>> you don't know, you can find it out with the command
>>
>> mount
>>
>> in a terminal. That will tell you the type of the file sytem for each
>> partition. The commands of my previous mail are for an ext2/ext3
>> partition and they would still apply. But it wouldn't work that way with
>> FAT/NTFS.
>>
>>
>> Nils
>>
>>
>>
> allen at allen-desktop:~$ mount
> /dev/sda1 on / type ext3 (rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro)
> tmpfs on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620)
> fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.28-11-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw,mode=755)
> securityfs on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc
> (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
> gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/allen/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon
> (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=allen)
> /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
> /dev/sdb2 on /media/data_ type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
> none on /tmp/guest-home.lYOvxa type tmpfs (rw,mode=700)
> /dev/sdb2 on /media type ext4 (rw)
> allen at allen-desktop:~$
> and here is fdisk
> allen at allen-desktop:~$ sudo fdisk -l
> [sudo] password for allen:
>
> Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x000c21c5
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/sda1 * 1 4708 37816978+ 83 Linux
> /dev/sda2 4709 4865 1261102+ 5 Extended
> /dev/sda5 4709 4865 1261071 82 Linux swap /
> Solaris
>
> Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
> Disk identifier: 0x5b6ac646
>
> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
> /dev/sdb1 1 9339 75015486 83 Linux
> /dev/sdb2 9340 19457 81272835 83 Linux
> allen at allen-desktop:~$
> plus now I cannot open original partition
> cannot unlock media/hal-mtab
>
>
>
Hi Allen if you can boot up in a LiveCD then start
System-Administration-Partiton-editor it will tell you the size of Every
partition and how they are formated.
I am not at all sure you have a file system on every partition :-)
Karl
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:59:13 -0600
From: "Karl F. Larsen" <klarsen1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: kubuntu-desktop
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Irving Leonard wrote:
> On Domingo 10 Mayo 2009 07:19:23 PM Karl Larsen escribi?:
>
>> OK I did the above and now I can select either kde or gnome at the
>> sign-in page and both appear to work fine. I am writing this on my 8.10
>> kde computer now. So lets see if it works.
>>
>> Karl
>>
> Just for the record, the Intrepid kde 4 is WAY unstable and incomplete
> (compared to KDE 3.5, hardy) because it was too young at that moment; if you
> want to try a better kde 4 y suggest to try with jaunty. There is also a kde 3
> remix (in jaunty).
> --
> regards
> irving
> VI Conferencia Internacional de Energ?a Renovable, Ahorro de Energ?a y Educaci?n Energ?tica
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> www.ciercuba.com
>
>
What I did was $ sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
and it did. When I select KDE it says version 4.2 for the most part. And
it does not work very good for me.
Karl
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:03:25 -0400
From: Verde Denim <tdldev at gmail.com>
Subject: Installing user apps
To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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I'm setting up an Ubuntu development box for java and was looking for a
likely place to install NB 6.5. My initial thought was /usr/share (which is
read-only). Is there a good reason not to install this with sudo in /usr and
install these types of apps in /home?
Thanks for your thoughts...
Jack
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 03:04:45 +0800
From: Reeyarn <reeyarn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: About root
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2009/5/14 Chan Chung Hang Christopher christopher.chan at bradbury.edu.hk
>
>
> Are you saying that for Jaunty? IIRC, an active root account will break
> one or two services for Hardy and Intrepid.
I was using Intrepid last month, and my root account was active at that time.
I didn't see any significant failure before trying to apt-get
dist-upgrade to Jaunty.
With that dist-upgrade, an boot failure problem occurred, with ls
/dev/disk failed too.
Are you mentioning this or something likewise?
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:49:31 -0300
From: Derek Broughton <derek at pointerstop.ca>
Subject: Re: Evolution send mail though proxy setting, how to? --
2.26.1 still doesn't work!
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Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> but if you're blacklisting servers _purely_ because they're proxying,
>> then you
>> _will_ get blacklisted yourself. You can't be blocking mail sent through
>> proper channels.
>>
>
> Emphasis on proper channels.
And if the proxy is configured correctly you can't _tell_ that they're not.
>> So what? I do, in fact, send my email through an SSH tunnel when I'm in
>> this location. Otherwise, because the client's firewall intercepts _any_
>> attempt to connect to port 25 on any system, and redirects it through its
>> own server, my emails would seem to come from the client, not my own
>> company's server. In fact, that's technically a violation of their
>> policy - which do you think is more honest?
>
> Why do you think the submission port (587) exists?
Why do you think the client would know or care?
>>> Any proxy server connecting to anything other than a smarthost will be
>>> blacklisted and blocked locally.
>>>
>>
>> Ah, so now you're backing down from your absolute statement that proxies
>> will be blacklisted.
>>
>>
> Nope. Just clarifying or adding context.
Fine - but my objection was to the words you used, not (apparently) the ones
you meant.
>>> A proxy server does not follow the rules of mail
>>> delivery.
>>>
>> A proxy does whatever it is configured to do.
>>
> Proxy servers do not queue email and deliver them.
No, it doesn't, but if it's sitting between your client and a valid SMTP
server, it doesn't need to.
>> My proxy says "connect to an SMTP server - if the destination is within
>> the
>> client's domain, use theirs, otherwise use mine". If you get email from
>> me, it's always routed correctly and if you block it there are blackhole
>> lists for admins like you, too.
>>
> Link to proxy server that has some smtp smarts in it please.
It's my own proxy, and it _doesn't_ have smtp smarts - it just knows enough
to choose which smarthost to connect to.
> Oh, link to
> blackhole lists for admins that block open proxies too
That's not what I said. I said that if you block _valid_ emails, there are
RBLs for you. Nobody objects to blocking of open proxies.
>
> Shall I post a thread on this in NANAE too? Maybe I will post a thread
> on spam-l too.
Why not? It's a free world, sorta.
> I am sorry but people who configure squid to proxy smtp connections are
> just asking for trouble.
Don't be sorry - I agree with you. I just objected to the characterization
that a proxy was always a bad idea, that it was necessarily "open", and that
you can even tell the connection was proxied if the proxy is working
properly.
> Link to sysadmins often insisting that a client should never talk smtp
> at all? First time I have ever heard of that.
I've been in that argument numerous times (with me arguing that email
clients _should_ speak SMTP), it wasn't hard to find an example just by
googling for me, sendmail and smtp. It's ubiquitous. If you haven't heard
it, I lose any confidence that you know what we're talking about.
--
derek
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:13:55 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cannot see Samsung u900 as Mass Storage device
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> Is that a Kubuntu problem? ?I know the kde bluetooth stack didn't work in
> 4.1, and support was promised for 4.2, but since I don't have any bluetooth
> devices I can't say it's arrived.
I am connecting via USB, not bluetooth.
On my laptop, I use bluetooth to transfer files from the computer to
the phone in Jaunty with KDE 4.2.2 and 4.2.3, so I know at least that
works.
--
Dotan Cohen
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:14:29 +0300
From: Dotan Cohen <dotancohen at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cannot see Samsung u900 as Mass Storage device
To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
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>> Is that a Kubuntu problem? ?I know the kde bluetooth stack didn't work in
>> 4.1, and support was promised for 4.2, but since I don't have any bluetooth
>> devices I can't say it's arrived.
>
> Good point/question.
>
> Dotan, you might try w/Gnome desktop to see if it makes any difference.
>
As the device is not even showing in lsusb, I see no reason to install Gnome.
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Dotan Cohen
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