There seems to be a problem with the servers for Jaunty updates and installs. I tried to install joe and thunderbird and both came back with no such packages. When I started the update manager it said the raw Beta is up to date. Karl -- Karl F. Larsen, AKA K5DI Linux User #450462 http://counter.li.org. PGP 4208 4D6E 595F 22B9 FF1C ECB6 4A3C 2C54 FE23 53A7