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[H.S.]

Leonard Chatagnier wrote:

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> I haven't visited your list except for Debian when I first started with Woody bf2.4 and it was hell as at that time as newbie questions were frowned upon. One of the reasons I switched to Ubuntu.  It is more newbie friendly and much easier to use although I've learned a little since my Debian days-:)) Sorry that I misread/misunderstood your original reply.

I started using Debian as a user in around 2003 or so. I was already
using some Linux newsgroups before that. Coming from newsgroups, the
Debain User mailing list was a god sent!

If you found Debian User a bit intimidating as a newbie, I suppose you
haven't been to Linux newsgroups in the late 90's and early this decade.
They kill, roast and eat newbies for fun there :)   (wonder if it is
still like that).

But I must admit that the Debian User mailing list was not as human
friendly as Ubuntu is today, but it was light years more friendlier than
some newsgroups. Still, it has improved by huge margins though. What you
won't find easily there are answers in a newbie-rookie friendly way.
Debian users tend to be more technical savvy than average Ubuntu users,
and expect the poster has done some home work before posting. When I
first joined Debain User, they are in the middle of developing a more
user friendly installer. I think I saw a paradigm shift during those few
years: the attitude changed from command-line-loving-GUI-hating linux
users to realizing that usability of an OS can be just as important as
robustness and security. Big improvement there.

In my view, Ubuntu and Debian lists combined is what make a much better
situation. Debian for its low level knowledge and thoroughness, and
Ubuntu for rookie-newbie friendly attitude .... i.e. if it not polluted
by misleading drivel anytime soon.

But, realistically speaking, one will always find rotten tomatoes here
and there in every group. :)

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