Linux-Evolution upgrade as a solution to techno-political problems

[Piper]

I would not be pursuing a technical solution if there were no "political" 
problem.

There are several hundred people on the political lists cc'd and I worked 
hard to create and build up those lists. Now I cannot post to them. Can 
anyone explain that as only a technical problem?

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Why then should I trust someone else to host my future lists?
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Of course China can censor the Internet without pulling the plug. It is the 
interface of technology and politics that makes it possible. If you have a 
business in Hong Kong hosting web sites and email lists, do you think the 
political powers are going to let you stay in business if you criticize 
Beijing on web sites or email lists?

re MIT- list: a staff writer from Wired phoned me about the list as he was 
considering an article on this subject. Then I started having problems. I 
cannot post to it. Yahoo won't answer my complaints. Is a server in Hong 
Kong going to solve that problem? Is it only technical?

Windows is an expression of political ideology, eg monopoly capitalism which 
some people simply call greed. Bill Gates is no friend of liberty. Where is 
his free software to solve the problems  have stated? Linux, Majordomo and 
other non-proprietary SW allows a free world solution. But it will take a 
little more work and money.

I gave two criteria for the kind of email SW I want. If I add a third, it 
anticipates techno-political problems with web site hosting. I have used 
Geocities hundreds of times. In a few months Geocities shuts down. All of my 
work on Geocities is lost to me. So what is next for "free" web hosting? But 
what if upgraded Evolution also has (3) an archive which allows some text 
and pictorial work? It can double as a web site.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amedee @ Ubuntu" <amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be>
To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" 
<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Cc: <canadian_constitution at yahoogroups.ca>; <rule_of_law at yahoogroups.com>; 
<cruel_and_unusual_punishment at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: Port 25 and Static/Dynamic IP for Listserve SW



> On Mon, July 20, 2009 21:06, Piper wrote:
>> China as I understand it is not really part of the world-wide web. 
>> Chinese
>> Internet is a LAN, not a global WAN because of censorship. Those hosting
>> listserves and web sites here can also legally exercise censorship which
>> may
>> be part of the Yahoo problem along with hacking etc. What I am doing here
>> may be helpful in China. In a "politically sensitive" environment as you
>> have there, individuals can host their own political lists and take full
>> responsibility for them. Thus the unmoderated list may not be a wise
>> choice for a private listserve.
>
> "The Internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it."
> - John Gilmore, TIME magazine (6 December 1993)
>
> China can't successfully censor the internet without completely pulling
> the plug. Knowledgeable people in China know how to route around
> censorship, even without being detected.
>
>> PS - I have 2 of my Canadian Constitution sub-lists in the cc field re
>> specific constitutional clauses. After co-founding a registered Canadian
>> political party in the early 90s, I started this slate of
>> constitutional/political lists. The fact that I cannot even post to them
>> now
>> is a source of much frustration and a problem which must be solved. When
>> technology fails this badly one must suspect political motivation.
>
> "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
> stupidity."
> - Hanlon's razor
>
> The British version by Sir Bernard Ingham:
> "Many journalists have fallen for the conspiracy theory of government. I
> do assure you that they would produce more accurate work if they adhered
> to the cock-up theory."
>
> Please keep politics outside Linux. As it is, there is already enough
> technical politics, no need to add "real-world" politics.
>
> -- 
> Amedee