karl's sig bug in evolution on hardy?

[Jay Daniels]

On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 08:23 -0600, Karl F. Larsen wrote:
> Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 21:03 -0400, Jay Daniels wrote:
> >   
> >> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 21:47 -0400, Fred Roller wrote:
> >>     
> >>> On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 19:48 -0400, Jay Daniels wrote:
> >>>       
> >>>> Ok, I'm not picking on Karl here ok.  Just trying to explain what's
> >>>> happening with Evolution sigs on reply.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I reply to a message from karl f larsen in the list, Evolution does
> >>>> not cut his sig, it cuts the ubuntu-users mailing list sig at the bottom
> >>>> of the message.  Bug? perhaps, read on...
> >>>>
> >>>> However, if I reply to others on the list, Evolution cuts their sig; so,
> >>>> whatsup with this sig problem?
> >>>>
> >>>> Furthermore, I can see nothing wrong with Karl's sig in the Message
> >>>> window.
> >>>>
> >>>> Can anyone with Evolution on hardy reproduce this problem?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> jay
> >>>> -- 
> >>>> my test sig
> >>>>         
> >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>
> >>> Evolution 2.26.1 on:
> >>>
> >>> Linux metis 2.6.28-14-generic #47-Ubuntu SMP Sat Jul 25 01:19:55 UTC
> >>> 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux 
> >>>
> >>> using gnome.
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Fred R.
> >>> www.fwrgallery.com
> >>>
> >>> "Life is like Linux - simple; if you are fighting it, you are doing
> >>> something wrong."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       
> >> As stated before, my .procmailrc is correcting any "bad" sigs so I don't
> >> really know if the original is correct or not.  However, Evolution bug
> >> is cutting the ubuntu list sig, not the sig of the last author.
> >>     
> >
> > In order to see what's going on, let your .procmailrc insert an additional
> > FIXED line, say '\n-- \nFIXED\n', as is you can't tell a correct .sig
> > from a fixed one.
> >
> > My procmailrc is cutting those boring and superfluous ML footers that
> > make my postings only partially signed.
> >
> > Whether evolution's behavior is correct is hard to tell, you want it
> > to cut on the 1st occurring delimiter, it cuts on the last one.
> > Think of bottom quotings or forwarded messages, cutting on the first
> > occurrence might loose some contents.
> >
> > my 2¢
> >   Siggy
> >   
>     Why don't you all use Thunderbird which has none of those problems?
> 
> 
> 73 karl
> 
> 
> 

Thunderbird (for me at least) has 5 major flaws or drawbacks in Ubuntu.

1) it's not the default and not installed by default.
2) does not read mail folder directly, no maildir support.
3) does not auto insert selected text when replying.
  (just about every windows email client in the world can do this
   except Thunderbird in Linux)
4) Thunderbird has plugins but must be installed.  Evo Plugins are
already installed.
5) if it's no better (probably not as good as evo due to missing
features) why bother.

The way I handle my mail by reading ~/.maildir directly and using
procmail and fetchmail to get my mail, has a lot to do with which client
I use.  I can read the same mail with mutt from console/terminal or
Evolution in Gnome.  Reading mail is instant since fetchmail is run by
cron and procmail sorts the mail for me.  Sending mail is instant (as
far as I am concerned) with msmtp.  So getting mail and sending mail is
invisible to the user and Evo reads maildir directly like mutt.  As far
as I know Thunderbird still can't do this.

So, I have 2 ways to read my mail and only use a notebook and don't much
have a need for multiple computers.  I use to only use gmail for a long
time, but one day I wanted to print a message and had to click this view
source etc, what a pain.  I found out you give up a lot with gmail and
decided not to have such limitations.

Although Thunderbird will do most of what you want, after weeks in
Evolution, I find the Evo interface much nicer.  Evo has one flaw, since
I use vertical view the width of the message window is not remembered on
restart.  This is about the only problem I have found.  Easy trade off
so I overlook it.

The truth is like the mutt page says, all email client suck.  Ten years
ago there was exmh using mh folders.  exmh would still be usable if it
had a widescreen view.  This project seems to be dead now.  It uses Tk
interface so perhaps someone will create a widescreen view for exmh -
fastest email client I have ever used over the years.


jay