[OT] was Ubuntu has gone!

Charlie Kravetz cjk at teamcharliesangels.com
Thu Apr 23 20:35:26 UTC 2009

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:09:51 -0400
Michael Haney <thezorch at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Thorny <thorntreehome at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:13:49 +1000, Res posted:
> >
> >> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Lucio M Nicolosi wrote:
> >>
> >>> (but not all) and most users do not trim their messages at all,
> >>> while
> >>
> >> My pet hate is those who don't trim, but I don't go after those who
> >> don't do it, IMHO, top posting is no worse then those who bottom
> >> post, especially those who bottom post 3 words, making you scroll
> >> down 5 pages of crap to read those 3 words.
> >>
> >>> a few overtrim to the barely understandable, like they were in a
> >>> IRC.
> >>
> >> That is a danger, people when trimming often think the other
> >> person will know what you mean, when you have omitted just a tad
> >> too much, so long as there's enough there to the point of your
> >> comments it should be OK, but I do know what you mean.
> >>
> >
> > Of course, that's why some of us use clients to read the list that
> > show the posts threaded and read them from first to last, rather
> > than just the last post of a thread.
> >
> >
> >>> It's a real mess, uncomfortable, really hard to follow and
> >>> collaborate.
> >>
> >> its been that way since day dot way back then...it'll never change.
> >>
> >
> > That isn't true Res, in the old days there were fewer "newbies" than
> > "regulars" and lists and newsgroups "policed" themselves. People
> > learned to fit into a community's standards in order to get the
> > community's help. This is similar to the old saying, "when in Rome,
> > do as the Romans". Granted, I'm talking about the old days and what
> > we have today is a result of an increase of new inexperienced users
> > looking for help and some (perhaps many) list members who have an
> > attitude that no one should tell them how to act. So, it's not that
> > it'll never change Res, it already has, thus I think it could
> > again. Or, at least shift some.
> >
> >
> >>> Thus I'm beginning to appreciate our (your) eventual fellow
> >>> "nazis" and their persistence in requiring good manners for those
> >>> waiting at the soup line.
> >>
> >> perhaps, but the danger lies within, you cant have a bunch of
> >> misfits deciding based on their personal beliefs what anyone else
> >> needs to do, moderation is why we have moderators :)
> >>
> >
> > There is the code of conduct and mailing list etiquette for Ubuntu
> > lists. I'm not sure you want to call the people who set those,
> > "misfits" and since they were probably decided on by a committee,
> > they likely don't fit anyone persons "personal" beliefs exactly.
> > However, there is a framework of guidelines that people could
> > follow most of the time and advise others of in order to have
> > efficiency and organization in the list. I don't think there is
> > much danger that the "enforcement" is likely to be too rigorously
> > applied any time soon. Not every person who tries to inform people
> > of list standards is being repressive, it just isn't that "black or
> > white".
> >
> >
> >> It is very childish of those who publicly state in here they
> >> refuse or may refuse to help someone just because that person top
> >> posts, I mean, most of us (I know not all, but the vast majority)
> >> are adults here, not 8yo's in a school playground, a lot of people
> >> in here need to seriously grow up.
> >
> > How is that "childish". Adults in society have to follow laws and
> > rules all the time in order to take advantage of the services
> > society offers, it's more generally children who expect to demand
> > and "get their way" as a matter of "entitlement" and who have to
> > learn how to fit in, or "grow up".
> >
> Excuse me, but it is childish.  I've seen people throw fits over top
> posting, like a child who throws himself to the ground crying, "No I
> won't help you until you bottom post, waaaa!"  Those people need to be
> wearing diapers.  Its childish and petty to refuse to help a newbie
> because they're not following some set of rules you think everyone
> should follow but are not set in stone by the Admin.  Unless the Admin
> of this group sets such rules in stone they are suggestions only and
> "cannot" be enforced by anyone as "the rules".  Only Elitists use
> their opinions are justification to impose their will upon others.
> There is no room for Elitism in the Linux Community any longer,
> especially in a group founded on the philosophies of Ubuntu.

And this is:

Charlie Kravetz 
Linux Registered User Number 425914          [http://counter.li.org/]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.           [http://keepingdreams.com]

More information about the ubuntu-users mailing list