Ubuntu second hard drive was Windows partition

[Jesse Petre]

On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Mark Haney wrote:

> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:07:09 -0400
> From: Mark Haney <mhaney at ercbroadband.org>
> Reply-To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>     <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> To: "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
>     <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu second hard drive was Windows partition
> 
> Karl Larsen wrote:
>> Mark Haney wrote:
>>> Karl Larsen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark Haney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Karl Larsen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug Pollard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Excuse me I am not making any sense this morning.  This is a second hard
>>>>>>> drive that auto mounts but has no permissions.  I need info on how to
>>>>>>> give permissions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>     A hard drive does not have permissions. It has partitions that may
>>>>>> have owners and passwords depending on the type. A Windows partition is
>>>>>> not password anything :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think either of you are making sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug, if you are automounting a second drive, it's possible the drive is
>>>>>   mounted Read only.  An 'ls -l' output of the mounted drive would be
>>>>> /really/ helpful here.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are a couple of reasons this could be.
>>>>>
>>>>> One, the drive is now unformatted, meaning no partitions or filesystems
>>>>> on it.  That of course would mean it wouldn't mount at all, but it's
>>>>> worth mentioning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two, /if/ the drive has windows on it (I couldn't find the rest of this
>>>>> thread so I don't have a clue if the subject line is accurate or not)
>>>>> then it's probably an NTFS partition.  I don't know if Ubuntu ships with
>>>>> ntfs-3g by default, but I know the ntfs driver I still use is Read-only.
>>>>>   That would explain the fact that it mounts but there are no
>>>>> 'permissions' on it.  It's only readable.
>>>>>
>>>>> If ntfs-3g does come default in ubuntu, you can probably mount the
>>>>> partition as RW by editing /etc/fstab.  Can you post that for us as well?
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I don't recommend mounting NTFS as RW even with ntfs-3g.  MS is
>>>>> notorious for altering NTFS in tiny ways even across Service Packs and
>>>>> makes life interesting when trying to write from linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the drive doesn't have anything critical on it, I would just fdisk it
>>>>> and format it with a linux filesystem (ext3 is a good one for general use).
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, post the additional info and let us look at it to help you out.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>     Guys STOP!!! You never ever mount a hard drive. You mount a
>>>> PARTITION on a hard drive using /etc/fstab or mount -t ext3 ext.
>>>>
>>>>     Now get it in your heads that it is a partition you mount.
>>>>
>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You know, I've been doing this a LONG time.  I've forgotten more about
>>> computers than you'll probably ever know.  So let me say this loud and
>>> clear:
>>>
>>> WE KNOW THAT.  We're not idiots.  However, 99 times out of 100 the
>>> partition encompasses the entire drive, therefore, it's safe to say
>>> 'mounting the drive'.  That, by default means the partition spans the
>>> entire drive.
>>>
>>> Picking nits like this does nothing but take up bandwidth.  It is
>>> UNDERSTOOD that you mount the partition.
>>>
>>> Please, I implore you.  Stop with the inane, asinine and just plain
>>> pointless remarks.  If you've got nothing to ADD to the conversation,
>>> then don't add anything at all.  I would most of us on this list are
>>> rather sick of correcting you time and again.
>>>
>>> Or, in this case, just telling you to shut up.  I hate being such a rude
>>> person, but get a grip man.  This thread was over had you paid
>>> attention, Doug got the DRIVE mounted before you even sent this message.
>>>
>>> Unless and until you have anything relevant to add to the list I'm
>>> filtering all messages from you.  As far as I can tell that will save a
>>> ton of wasted bandwidth.
>>>
>>> I really try to help people, but some people REFUSE to be helped.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>     Well if you would just use the PROPER words for what your doing it
>> would make it easier for us who have not forgot what you MIGHT have
>> known. Your a sorry case for an expert when you do not know how to write.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>
> Do not know how to write?  Are you serious?  This isn't about writing,
> it's about understanding the basics.  Those things that are simply
> understood.  I had no idea I needed to spell it out.  Everyone else on
> this list knew what we meant.
>
> And believe me, my friend, while I never claim 'expert' status, I've
> done this a long time. If you can't understand what we're saying, we'll
> be glad to clarify, but when it's obvious that everyone else understands
> my meaning (and, indeed, everyone else's part of this thread), then I
> see no reason to explain it like I'm talking to a 5 year old.
>
> As far as I could see, this thread was moving along just fine until you
> interrupted with your inane 'you mount a partition, not a drive' post.
> It was unnecessary on all kinds of levels to post that.
>
> Again, this goes back to respect and manners.  You refuse to listen, or
> to learn and so my respect (and manners) stop at your door.  You've been
> on these lists for a couple of years now and should know what to say and
> not to say.
>
> As I said, if you have nothing relevant to the conversation, don't post.
>  It's that simple.  If you do, fine.  If not, don't.  Do I need to
> spell that out for you any better?
>
>
>

Mark,

As you said yourself; if you don't have anything useful to post, then 
don't.

So stop filling my inbox with your useless banter.  Take it out of the 
list!

-- 
Jesse Petre
jpetre at sdf.lonestar.org
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