Forget Hardy

Mario Vukelic mario.vukelic at
Tue Jun 10 21:19:20 UTC 2008

On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 16:58 -0400, mwbesemer at wrote:
> In all honesty, I've managed to work out the problems I was having using
> other resources (other lists and Internet research).  I will not post to
> a reflector until I've at least made an attempt to solve the problem myself.

This is very helpful of you, and I often wish it was a more common
trait :)

>  Nontheless, I do READ most of the traffic here and while I fully recognize
> that some people can try the patience of the list en-masse, I've been
> somewhat intimidated by the tones of some of the members here. 

Maybe I have been on mailing lists for too long, but I seriously can't
see intimidating tone for the vast, vast majority of the time. I know
that I can come across unfriendly, I think most of the time because I
try to write short and to the point, and cut out the fluff. This is to
limit time spent on posts. I also tend to answer the issues that come up
repeatedly or all the time, where a quick link to the docs is more
efficient (and more helpful) than coming up with a new explanation every
time. I usually leave the more time-consuming help to others (sorry
guys :)

Sometimes I am also annoyed, more or less rightfully. (I think I have
deserved some slack re Karl :)

I have tried to be more accommodating recently.

But again, I believe that the Code of Conduct is observed pretty well on
the list. I guess you have to allow for the fact that is _is a mailing
list after all, with all the baggage that comes with that.

>  There are
> a lot of us out there who are no strangers to computers (I've had computers
> in my ham shack since the TRS80 Model I and have spend a good deal of time
> as a user on Unix systems) but are new to Linux/Ubuntu and need advice at 
> that level.  In other words, I'm not stupid, but I AM ignorant.

I am sure that with your attitude of doing some research yourself before
asking, you will receive plenty of help. If in doubt, consult this

> Okay... I'm taking off my flame-retardant underwear... didn't mean to start a war.

:) cheers

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