8.04 networking seems awfully broken.
grante at visi.com
Thu Jul 24 18:06:14 UTC 2008
On 2008-07-24, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2008-07-24, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>>>> Perhaps that's true, but on my Gentoo systems the DHCP client
>>>> isn't started until the link is up.
>>> The link is "up" as far as the O/S knows when the wireless
>>> interface is active.
>> I watched the syslog, and the DHCP client was attempting to
>> send requests on eth0 while the link was still down and was
>> attempting to send requests on wlan0 when it was down (not yet
>> When I did a "ps" I could see that the DHCP client was running
>> on wlan0, but wpa_supplicant wasn't, so the DHCP client was
>> timing out before the wireless adapter had was associated with
>> a WAP and was capable of transmitting a packet.
>> That just doesn't seem like the right thing to do.
> It's not - but it's also not what I've ever seen. What do you have
> in /etc/network/interfaces?
I never looked (the machine's been packed up to be shipped
back). I assumed that the network manager was supposed to take
care of that stuff.
>>> Sure you have. Find a windows system, connect it to a network
>>> with no DHCP server - you'll get a 169.*.*.* address.
>> My point was that I've never been on a network where that's how
>> things were supposed to work (despite what Windows does).
> And my point is that you have, if you've ever been on a
> Windows network.
I guess I've never been on a Windows network.
> I know that, but it ISN"T YOUR PROBLEM! Zeroconf is purely a
> fallback for the situation where there is no DHCP available.
But I didn't want it to do the zeroconf thing. I'm not on a
"windows network". If there's no DHCP server, I want the
interface to stay down. On my networks, coming up with some
192.168.x.* address is simply not the right thing to do.
>> So everytime you boot, you've got to bring up the network
>> manager and manually start-up wireless networking?
> No, _now_ we're trying to debug the fact that you've
> thoroughly b0rked your networking.
What did I do to "b0rk" my networking? All I did was install
from the CD, and then copy the wifi chipset firmware into
/lib/modules. After 3-4 hours of not being able to get wan0 to
associate without running wpa_cli, I got desperate and removed
the autoipd daemon, but it made no difference other than it
keeps from fooling the system into thinking it's attached to a
wired network when it isn't.
>> I expected the network manager save the configuration anywhere
>> so that the next time you boot, it would start the interface
>> using the previous configuration.
> As it does... Occasionally, it fails to associate on my
> system, but generally it associates with any network I've
> previously told it to connect to.
In a previous posting I was told that to get wpa_supplicant
started you have to run the network manager config program. How
can wan0 associate with a WAP if wpa_supplicant isn't started
when the system boots?
>> One of my guesses is that the network manager either can't
>> handle passwords containing spaces,
> possibly - but it seems doubtful]
>> or it can't handle long passwords (20+ characters).
> It certainly can
I guess something else is wrong with the network manager, then.
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Hmmm ... an arrogant
at bouquet with a subtle
visi.com suggestion of POLYVINYL
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