Bind - one pc,two ips ,two dns servers

[Christopher Chan]

>> Ha! I find it amazing that you let Yahoo!, Hotmail and Google through
> 
> Honestly, the problems we've had from those 3 together, still would not 
> make up for 10% of the crud outblaze used to give us.

I find that amazing that you make this statement given that you said 
Outblaze was blocked way before you arrived on the scene.

> 
>> even though they not only have way more scripters and scammers abusing
>> their systems but also have difficult/non-responsive abuse desks. Yet at
>> the same time, Outblaze who actively searches for such scum accounts
> 
> They never used to back in those days, maybe with your arrival things got 
> sorted out, but complaints to abuse@ might as well gonew to abuse AOL for 
> all hte good it did as well, oh yeah AOL were totally denied for 6 months 
> as well back in the late 90's, but then I got a call from one of the U.S 
> AOL postmasters, apologising for the issues and that all complaints 
> would be dealt with, they kept their word, so we let em back in.
> 

Oh really? Funny you say AOL cleaned up in the late 90's. As far as 
people on SPAM-L are concerned, they did not clean themselves up until 
sometime between 2005/6. I watched AOL postmasters/abuse contacts come 
and go and apologizing on SPAM-L around then. Funny that I don't see 
Suresh (Outblaze postmaster for years) having to do that at all on 
SPAM-L. Not before, nor after. You must have some real weird definition 
of who is a spam supporter and who is not.

> 
>> them but coming out and accusing someone without evidence is not on.
> 
> My evidence as stated was how they were, you want more evidence ask any 
> network manager around from that era, you yourself admitted they had 
> problems, maybe they are good now, I dont know, but as above, why should i 
> accept that risk, Outblaze or any of their partners sure as hell do NOT 
> pay me to accept their data so I am under NO obligation to accept ANY 
> bytes of data from them and since its been status quo for neigh on a 
> decade, I'm sure they couldn't care less either :)

I could care less whether you allow traffic from Outblaze boxes to 
yours. I am just pointing out that nobody on SPAM-L which includes 
respected maintainers of black lists that produce very low false 
positives believe that Outblaze is a spam supporting outfit.

> 
>> again modified their message to get past filters like they constantly do
>> on Yahoo!, Hotmail and Google?
> 
> Again, those services apart from what I previously stated, were not a big 
> problem here, if they become one rest assured they will join the shitlist.

Sure. Not a fair few on SPAM-L already block them three. They ain't 
hosters and their users have no business (or should not have any) 
receiving emails from free webmail accounts.

> 
>> Sure, sure. You probably don't have to keep normal users happy at the
>> same time anyway unlike free webmail users like Outblaze, Yahoo! and
>> whoever.
> 
> I dont deal with normal users, no one in netops does, apparently we are 
> too anti-social :)

LOL.

> 
>> Anyway, keep going on you MTA admin. I ain't doing that anymore. Too
>> much stress fighting spammers and keeping users happy at the same time.
> 
> I enjoy it, it gives me something to do. We each here have our niche's, 
> mine's mail and dns.
> 
> 

Please add spammer hunting to your list of niches :-P