Bug report out of context: Harcy handling of /dev/sd? devices is unacceptable

[Alan E. Davis]

This response typifies those I've received on this list.  Arrogant and self
contained.

I had made a note to myself not to respond.  I hope it will clear up a
couple of issues if I do address some of your points, however:

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Derek Broughton <news at pointerstop.ca> wrote:

>  Doesn't it strike you that it's a pretty small
> percentage of us who would _have_ mixed PATA/SATA drives on our systems?


No.

>
>
> Not a problem.  Use UUID or LABEL for mounting.  Reassigning /dev/hda
> drives
> to /dev/sda isn't an Ubuntu problem - it was mandated by kernel changes.
>

I don't believe you.

>
>
>
> I'm guessing, though you haven't explicitly stated it, that you have
> removable drives here.  It's a simple fact that removing drives can change
> the device ordering.  As far as grub is concerned, the device it's booting
> from is (hd0), but grub is likely to not have much control of the ordering
> of the rest of the drives.


No removable drives.  I can tell grub to boot to hd0, hd1, hd2, etc.

>
>
> >     As a consequence of the naming debacle, I inadvertently wrote over
> >     a 40+ GB partition, mistaking it for a different one.  I am
> >     reporting this as a bug.
>
> You wrote over a 40GB partition and blame Ubuntu?  Come on, now.  Modifying
> partitions is _always_ dangerous, and the only way Ubuntu can stop you
> doing that is to not provide partition managers.


Assignation of blame is a minor issue.  I am concerned that (contrary to
your opinion) Ubuntu has slipped a fast one.  There is no UUID in gentoo
/etc/fstab at this point, so in what way was that *mandated by kernel
changes?*

I was confused, needlessly.

>
>
> This wouldn't be any place to complain about that.  We aren't using web
> forums for a reason...


Ok.

>
>
>
> I still haven't figured out what you think is a bug.
>
> >     The new fstab using UUID has been a major headache.
>
> Not half as much as NOT using UUID would have been.
>
> > Please do not try to answer about the SATA/PATA issue or the Grub issue,
> > unless you can report that the problem has been resolved.  I have no use
> > for
> > further explanations of the preference for UUID in /etc/fstab.  Ubuntu
> > Hardy Heron seems to have taken a perilous fork in the road, and despite
> > any conceivable explanation, it leaves the user in less control of his
> > system.
>
> Well, if you don't intend to actually explain your problem, or to examine
> it
> further to find out what the problem really is, we can't help.  And if you
> want to just blindly insist that the only problem is that LINUX (not
> Ubuntu) renamed your devices, then we probably don't _want_ to help.
>



>
> So far I've seen no indication that anything happened to you that won't
> happen under Gentoo.


I don't want this to degenerate into a contest between distros, but when I
installed Hardy from a CD, and booted, grub complained about not finding the
partition.  I didn't set it up, grub did.  I had to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
to allow Ubuntu to boot the system it had itself installed.

Then the /etc/fstab assignment of the device was different than what grub
sees.

I've not seen this elsewhere.  If it's not a bug, what is it?

Alan

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Alan Davis

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