subject: Re: Giving up on Edgy

[Cybe R. Wizard]

Michael Satterwhite <michael at weblore.com>  said:
> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I'd be interested in seeing that list, the error message you've
> > gotten from the attempts you've made to get things working, and
> > some log output from your system.  So far all I've seen is general
> > complaints about hardware that, yes, really should work out of the
> > box.  Perhaps the problems lie in hardware,  not software.
> 
> You must not have been paying attention on this list (not incredibly
> surprising. The list is active enough that I doubt *ANYONE* has the
> time to read *EVERYTHING* on it!). I've addressed problems in multiple
> messages, received some suggestions, none of which solved the
> problems.

Nine messages in two days, especially on the weekend, hardly gives a
real chance for helpers to help.  As I said before, a list of specific
problems and the error messages they generate would be the biggest help.
> 
> As to it being hardware ... shades of the IBM / CDC / Sperry Mainframe
> days. Any time a problem came up, the immediate first response was to
> try pointing a finger in another direction. When hardware works fine
> under other OS's (like Windows, I can dual boot) and versions (like
> Ubuntu 5.10) and the machine ceases to work correctly when all that
> changed was the software (to Ubuntu 6.10), no rational being would say
> it sounds like a hardware problem.
> 
All hardware dies sometime.  Often an OS will be more tolerant of
slowly dying hardware than another.  You may note that I did /not/ say
it sounded like a hardware problem, only that the problems you are
supposedly having don't seem to fit the experience others have had with
similar hardware.  When hardware doesn't perform as one would expect it
often /is/ the hardware that is at fault, particularly when the
problems aren't reproducible by others with that hardware.

I'd still like to see the list of problems and the error messages they
generate.  You /did/ offer those things, did you not?

Cybe R. Wizard
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