Upgrading to Edgy Eft
Alexander Skwar
listen at alexander.skwar.name
Tue Jun 27 19:20:16 UTC 2006
Derek Broughton wrote:
> Alexander Skwar wrote:
>
>> Mario Vukelic wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think people get upset about this at all. But I think what does
>>> upset some people is if users upgrade to edgy, then post to the list
>>> "something is broken, I have package conflicts", and ask for help.
>>
>> Exactly. If somebody is under the impression to use a not yet
>> released distribution, he should know how to handle such small
>> problems. Further, I don't think it's right to post questions
>> about a "developer distribution" on the users list - IMO such
>> questions belong to the -dev list.
>>
>> This list is for users, not for dev's! And Edgy isn't for
>> users (at least not yet).
>
> NO, NO, absolutely NO. If edgy isn't for the user community then the
> archive should not be open.
No, I completely disagree. It should be open, so that it's easy
for (wannabe *G*) developers to jump on board of the development
of the upcoming release. A lot of (good) bug reports also make
development easier.
> It IS intended for us to use,
No, it isn't, I suppose. I suppose it's rather for some to develop
and debug - *not* for use!
> and just like
> dapper, many of us here will be using it long before release date.
Fine.
> This list is for _users_.
Yes. For _users_. Not for developers. Or rather, not for development
questions - put differently, not for Edgy questions.
> It is NOT for breezy or dapper users, it's for
> ALL users.
Then I wonder, why the -dev list exists.
> This is exactly the attitude that got me started in this
> thread.
Well. It was the right attitude.
> Honestly, I can't see how you could open your response to Mario
> with "exactly" and then get it so completely wrong.
Because I didn't. Can't help if you misunderstood what was written.
> Mario just said that
> Edgy users have to expect that there'll be problems. He didn't say they
> shouldn't discuss those problems.
That's correct. He wrote:
| But I think what does
| upset some people is if users upgrade to edgy, then post to the list
| "something is broken, I have package conflicts", and ask for help.
> And, btw, they're not likely to
> be "small" problems.
Fine. Even more reason to *NOT* post to a users list but to talk
"directly" to the developers.
> New beta releases rarely have only "small" problems,
> but people have to try them or the developers will never know what needs
> fixing.
Exactly. And that's why problems, which aren't likely relevant to
users, shouldn't be discussed here. IMO, such questions are simply
off-topic here.
<http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists>:
| Developer lists
|
| The ubuntu-devel mailing list is for highly-technical
| discussions and implementation details regarding current
| development on Ubuntu.
It says, that the -dev list is for discussing "current development"
aspects. Thus, questions reg. a "current development" distribution
are on-topic there and *thus* off-topic here.
Quite simple :)
Alexander Skwar
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