Upgrading to Edgy Eft
listen at alexander.skwar.name
Tue Jun 27 19:20:16 UTC 2006
Derek Broughton wrote:
> Alexander Skwar wrote:
>> Mario Vukelic wrote:
>>> I don't think people get upset about this at all. But I think what does
>>> upset some people is if users upgrade to edgy, then post to the list
>>> "something is broken, I have package conflicts", and ask for help.
>> Exactly. If somebody is under the impression to use a not yet
>> released distribution, he should know how to handle such small
>> problems. Further, I don't think it's right to post questions
>> about a "developer distribution" on the users list - IMO such
>> questions belong to the -dev list.
>> This list is for users, not for dev's! And Edgy isn't for
>> users (at least not yet).
> NO, NO, absolutely NO. If edgy isn't for the user community then the
> archive should not be open.
No, I completely disagree. It should be open, so that it's easy
for (wannabe *G*) developers to jump on board of the development
of the upcoming release. A lot of (good) bug reports also make
> It IS intended for us to use,
No, it isn't, I suppose. I suppose it's rather for some to develop
and debug - *not* for use!
> and just like
> dapper, many of us here will be using it long before release date.
> This list is for _users_.
Yes. For _users_. Not for developers. Or rather, not for development
questions - put differently, not for Edgy questions.
> It is NOT for breezy or dapper users, it's for
> ALL users.
Then I wonder, why the -dev list exists.
> This is exactly the attitude that got me started in this
Well. It was the right attitude.
> Honestly, I can't see how you could open your response to Mario
> with "exactly" and then get it so completely wrong.
Because I didn't. Can't help if you misunderstood what was written.
> Mario just said that
> Edgy users have to expect that there'll be problems. He didn't say they
> shouldn't discuss those problems.
That's correct. He wrote:
| But I think what does
| upset some people is if users upgrade to edgy, then post to the list
| "something is broken, I have package conflicts", and ask for help.
> And, btw, they're not likely to
> be "small" problems.
Fine. Even more reason to *NOT* post to a users list but to talk
"directly" to the developers.
> New beta releases rarely have only "small" problems,
> but people have to try them or the developers will never know what needs
Exactly. And that's why problems, which aren't likely relevant to
users, shouldn't be discussed here. IMO, such questions are simply
| Developer lists
| The ubuntu-devel mailing list is for highly-technical
| discussions and implementation details regarding current
| development on Ubuntu.
It says, that the -dev list is for discussing "current development"
aspects. Thus, questions reg. a "current development" distribution
are on-topic there and *thus* off-topic here.
Quite simple :)
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