Ubuntu on a 486?

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 13.12.2006, 12:10 +0100 schrieb Adriano Varoli Piazza:
> On 12/13/06, Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> 
> > edubuntu is developed *inside* of ubuntu, like kubuntu and xubuntu are,
> > every development i do in edubuntu is something ubuntu gets benefit
> > from ... i.e. LTSP is essentially developed in edubuntu, simply because
> > its our reference implementation of a deeply integrated LTSP by default,
> > but that doesnt mean LTSP is limited to edubuntu, you can use it in
> > ubuntu and get the results of the work done in edubuntu under ubuntu.
> 
> And Ubuntu can enjoy many of the advances made by the Debian
> developers, too. It doesn't touch the point I was making. Somehow,
> when I choose to install Ubuntu, I as a desktop user don't do it
> because I can easily install LTSP, I do it because it provides me with
> an excellent desktop system off the CD, that runs on decent hardware,
> with certain limits (both lower, as in older hardware, and upper, as
> in "I might have some problems with the latest-and-greatest").
debian developers arent paied for their work :) (at least not by
canonical), your point was the paid worktime and where its dedicated to,
wasnt it ?

> > > "Huge" compared to what? Compared to the number of people who run
> > > Ubuntu for "Desktop" purposes?
> > please see the GNOME deployment study :)
> > http://primates.ximian.com/~federico/docs/gnome-deployments-2006/index.html#thin-clients
> 
> Sorry, but I can't see the page right now, as I said in another mail
> in this thread. I'm lucky to be able to post here at all. I'll try
> afterwards.
well, its a study about gnome deployments, the feedback showed that 39%
of all deployed desktops taking part in that study were running on thin
clients ... 
> 
> > LTSP and thin client technology are the corporate environments of the
> > future in my opinion, they significantly tear down the cost of
> > maintenance through centralization ...
> 
> Yes, though Ubuntu is not planned as "the corporate environment of the
> future" right now, is it? 
what do you think canonical earns its revenue with ? indeed ubuntu is as
much targeted at the home enduser as well as the corporate user...

> > > That still doesn't change a bit of the Ubuntu objectives. If Ubuntu is
> > > useful for them, more power to 'em, but I wouldn't want a worse distro
> > > on my desktop "just" because some users want it to work on low-end HW
> > > it wasn't advertised for.
> > thats the point, LTSP is a fully supported product, you can buy support
> > for it at canonical if you like ... (our support center even runs
> > completelly on LTSP) so indeed ubuntu *is* advised for such hardware ...
> 
> Good. Is this the main objective of _Ubuntu_ as a distro? 
its one of the objectives of ubuntu, yes

> > yes, but that doesnt limit it to your personal home desktop or
> > laptop ...
> 
> No, but it certainly limits it, in my opinion, on things that aren't
> "home desktops" at all, like Edubuntu terminals. The limitation to go
> with GNOME or KDE is more arbitrary, even, but is the point I'm trying
> to make: "what should go in the CD to make it the best for this, that
> and that other thing?" According to what I see, not KDE, not LTSP,
> etc. Right off the CD, at least.
LTSP is on every ubuntu CD since breezy, its just not installed by the
installer routine we use in edubuntu, select the expert install and you
will find a "Build LTSP client environment" menu entry...

The point of this thread is if ubuntu runs on 486 class CPUs and if it
will continue to do so, canonical has a substantial interest in shipping
things like LTSP since it will generate revenue, so indeed such hardware
is and will be supported in the future, thats what i wanted to point out
with my mails here, LTSP was just one example where you can buy brandnew
hardware that requires a 486 compatible kernel.

ciao
	oli
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