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[Christoph Bier]

Derek Broughton schrieb am 15.11.2005 16:54:

> Christoph Bier wrote:
> 
>>Derek Broughton schrieb am 14.11.2005 18:13:
>>
>>>Christoph Bier wrote:
>>
>>>>I also prefer newsgroups but this one isn't listed at my news
>>>>provider's server :-(. For this list I use the Gmane gateway but
>>>>actually it's not the same like a newsgroup.
>>>
>>>What's not the same about it?  [...]
>>
>>From the technical point of view it's very often incredible slow.
> 
> Not that I've ever noticed on the ubuntu lists. [...]

But me ... But it became better in the last months.

>>But what I mean is concerned to a kind of "culture" of
>>communication. This ML tends to be more noisy (of course I already
>>made unnecessary noise, too; sometimes it happens) than NGs and you
>>find much more emails with bad quotation. 
> 
> I've never heard anybody suggest that mailing lists are ever more noisy than
> newsgroups.  You don't hang out in the same newsgroups I do.  Quoting is a
> practice that is invariably poor in both mail lists and newsgroups.

That's just my experience. I use the usenet for about 7 years and
mailing lists for about 11 years. I see much more discipline in
newsgroups than on mailing list. But: Most newsgroups I read are
german speaking groups. And I often heard (and experienced) that
they are really stricter than english speaking groups. To be honest
there's only one german speaking mailing list I'm subscribed to ...
My experience may be influenced by this fact (though this german
mailing list isn't strict at all).

>>For example, I hate TOFU 
>>because I have to scroll down at the bottom of the email to see that
>>there's nothing but quoted text.
> 
> Again, not something that's ever any different between email lists and
> newsgroups.

That's my experience indeed. But it may not be representative. So I
revoke my statement on "cultural" differences between mailing lists
and newsgroups.

>>Many articles are posted via the Forum gateway so you do not 
>>see the real name but `'Forum Post'. I like to know the real name of
>>the person I'm talking to ... 
> 
> But you never do on newsgroups _or_ lists (though, if I had my druthers I'd
> close down that forum gateway).  The poster is named whatever the poster
> wants, and I'm on one newsgroup where trolls routinely use the same names
> as regular posters.

Of course, I'm aware of this. But I think there's no need to further
discuss the real name topic. Besides, my english is not good enough
to satisfactorily put into words what I think about it.

Best,
  Christoph
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