Ubuntu is under attack

[Matthew Garrett]

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 08:42:35PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 19:20, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:01:15AM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:
> > An out of the box Ubuntu install will not generate any email.
> 
> An out of the box Breezy install will try to generate emails,
> but will fail.  There's no obvious indication that the emails
> are lost.  In Hoary they would have been delivered.

Really? From what?

> > and also to allow people who actually /need/ an MTA to configure it appropriately rather than ending 
> > up with a (mostly useless) default configuration.
> 
> Your phrasing again indicates that you don't know what you're
> writing about.  Postfix offers a choice of several basic
> configurations during debconf and they are suitable for
> almost all newbies, almost all desktops, and many servers.

Did you ever actually install previous versions of Ubuntu? You only get 
the debconf promptings for postfix if you install it after the system 
install. We decided that people who actually want postfix probably also 
want the option to configure it, but also decided that most people don't 
want postfix. The obvious change was to require people who want it to 
install it manually, and then offer them the configuration dialogues.
 
> You have made not a single valid argument for dumbdowngrading
> Breezy.  I am ashamed to see such white noise from a UCAM address.

You've repeatedly made assertions about "Hundreds of man hours being 
lost" and the like. I haven't seen how, yet.

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Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org