ubuntu-users Digest, Vol 11, Issue 43

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Kindly remove me from mailing list (Judd Pickell)
   2. Re: gksudo potentially very insecure (Jack Jackson)
   3. Installing Hoary on dual P2 300MHz is really slow (Janne Jokitalo)
   4. Hotplug, /etc/network/interfaces and ifup (Jaime)
   5. Re: video resolution problem (BBBB)
   6. Re: Installing Hoary on dual P2 300MHz is really slow
      (Yannick Le Saint (kyncani))
   7. Re: Installing Hoary on dual P2 300MHz is really slow
      (Janne Jokitalo)
   8. Re: Performance shock (poptones)
   9. Re: Photography (Norman Silverstone)
  10. Re: sources.list (ajtiM)
  11. Re: DVD playback (Dougie)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 12:56:40 -0700
From: Judd Pickell <pickell at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Kindly remove me from mailing list
To: Tab Gilbert <tabbox at gmail.com>,     Ubuntu Help and User Discussions
    <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <d907e9d505070412565bdf03f5 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Considering that you get a link at the bottom with the website where
it clearly states how to remove yourself, I think a little gibbing at
those that are incapable of reading is more than expected. I am on
more than a few lists, and some of them even have the instructions
right in the footer of the email, and people STILL post to be removed.

If you walked into a restuarant and asked loudly as possible "Where is
the bathroom?" You would get more than a few snickers as you are made
the butt of a few jokes, particularly if there is a nice sign on the
wall pointing the direction to where you should go.

Just some food for though.. ;)

On 7/4/05, Tab Gilbert <tabbox at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 7/4/05, Shawn Christopher <schristopheraz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > with it and going back to Windows.
>
> > --
> > ubuntu-users mailing list
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
> >
>
> Signing up or off a mailing list has nothing to do with the operating
> system you happen to be using.  I am a complete newbie but sometimes
> even I am forced to read the instructions and wait for that "Now, I
> Get It...." moment.
>
> I was thinking more like "ABC" by the Jackson 5 as theme music---
>
> Just Kidding :)
>
> tab
> Outer Bubbaistan
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 16:22:04 -0400
From: Jack Jackson <jackson.linux at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: gksudo potentially very insecure
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <42C99A6C.4020604 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

As Robert Storey points out in his *excellent* reviews of Debian and
Xandros on DistroWatch, better safe than sorry:

<snip>
"...[O]ne safety feature I always install out of habit are some aliases
that prevent me from accidentally wiping out files at the command line.
Some distros enable this by default, but Xandros (surprisingly for a
newbie distro) is not one of them.

"To do this, open up the hidden files in your home directory .bashrc 
and
.bash_profile add the following four lines:

   alias rm='rm -i'
   alias cp='cp -i'
   alias mv='mv -i'
   set -o noclobber

"I performed the above surgery for all my user accounts, including 
root.
This is not to say that you absolutely must do this, but merely to
suggest that it would be a damn good idea.

"You have to log out and log back in for the new settings to take
effect. After this, when using the rm, cp, and mv commands you will be
prompted if your action will erase/overwrite a file. The last setting
(set -o noclobber) will prevent you from wiping a file with redirection
(that funny ">" symbol)."

</snip>
By the way, Robert's a *great * writer and has excellent things to say
about distros in general:
http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=review-xandros



Ante KaramatiÄ? wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 18:30 +0200, Wouter Stomp wrote:
>
>
>>The timeout setting is nice and handy, but I think it would be better
>>if you get asked for a password whenever you start a new program with
>>gksudo. The timout setting could still be useful when opening the same
>>program more than one time.
>
>
> You have a good point about gksudo. But making gksudo to ask password
> every time is even worse then not asking.
>
> Could it be possible to change color of the window? Or, even better,
> change the color of the 'window name bar'?
>



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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:33:49 +0300
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net>
Subject: Installing Hoary on dual P2 300MHz is really slow
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: <1120509229.10480.9.camel at localhost>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi guys,

I'd really use some help concerning the install of Hoary on a dual P2
300MHz machine. It seems that the install begins correctly, but
progresses very slowly after a few procedures next to choosing what type
of install you want. To be strict, it seems slow down when 'Creating
initial device nodes...'.

It seems it has to do with ACPI, as the motherboard is really old
(dating back to 1997/1998), and probably with DMA. I'm not familiar with
the architecture of this type of processor/bus systems, but I've done
quite a bit of googling and from what I understand, the problem should
be fixed by entering commands 'acpi=off apic' and possibly 'idebusf'
or the appropriate bus speed number anyway, but nothing helps for this
system.

I'm assuming this really is a no-go, as I can't possibly spend several
hours by the machine to boot up the installer, but my last resort is to
ask anyone of you guys for help. So if you know a trick or two, or even
some other parameters/procedures I should try, I'd be ever grateful to
hear it.

TIA!

Best regards,

Jaska


--
Janne Jokitalo
ICQ:#39349128





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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 20:52:08 +0000
From: Jaime <re2824 at safe-mail.net>
Subject: Hotplug, /etc/network/interfaces and ifup
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: <1120510328.7316.12.camel at t21jt>
Content-Type: text/plain

Hi.

I have a working installation of Ubuntu Hoary on my laptop which is
doing just one thing I can't understand. It has one ethernet card (3com
3c556b minipci) network card with a "normal" config (private ip address
on internal network, etc). A boot time, hotplug brings the card up: the
installer leaves /etc/network/interfaces with the lines:

auto lo

mapping hotplug
    script grep
    map eth0

When I use "ifup eth0" and "ifdown eth0", everything works just fine.
Just as a test, I added the line:

    up logger canYouFindThis

to the eth0 stanza in the interfaces file, and a quick "tail
-f /var/log/syslog" shows me that everytime I "ifup eth0", the message
is logged.

The bit I don't understand is that if I leave the logger line in the
interfaces file, nothing gets logged during boot-up. All the
documentation I've read talks about "ifup eth0=hotplug" being run during
bootup - I've even tried doing this manually and even that works, so why
is nothing logged when the machine boots?

Any help appreciated,

Jaime :-)





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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:08:52 -0500
From: "BBBB" <ubuntulist at thingbuilder.com>
Subject: Re: video resolution problem
To: "Ubuntu Help and User Discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <00dd01c580dc$984ef900$6401a8c0 at dvdburner>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="iso-8859-1"

Thanks Judd,
Reinstalling xlibmesa-dri did the trick.

I had searched synaptic for ati but wasn't sure where to go from there.
Thanks again,
Bradley

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judd Pickell" <pickell at gmail.com>
-----------------
> quick search at ATI showed that your 128 is supported:
>
https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID‰4&task=knowledge&folderID'
> via the DRI driver set (http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/), so then I
> searched for DRI under synaptic and found following packages:
> xlibmesa-dri, and xorg-driver-fglrx. If you reinstall these drivers, I
> have a feeling it will fix your vid problems.

> > I am using an ATI Rage 128 card with 32M
> >
> > Is there a way to reinstall the driver or any other suggestions?
> >





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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 23:09:15 +0200
From: "Yannick Le Saint (kyncani)" <y.lesaint at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Installing Hoary on dual P2 300MHz is really slow
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <1120511355.13929.4.camel at localhost.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 23:33 +0300, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
> I'd really use some help concerning the install of Hoary on a dual P2
> 300MHz machine. It seems that the install begins correctly, but
> progresses very slowly after a few procedures next to choosing what 
type
> of install you want. To be strict, it seems slow down when 'Creating
> initial device nodes...'.
>
> It seems it has to do with ACPI, as the motherboard is really old
> (dating back to 1997/1998), and probably with DMA. I'm not familiar 
with
> the architecture of this type of processor/bus systems, but I've done
> quite a bit of googling and from what I understand, the problem should
> be fixed by entering commands 'acpi=off apic' and possibly 'idebusf'
> or the appropriate bus speed number anyway, but nothing helps for this
> system.

  Have you checked the kernel logs ? Any error ?

--
Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) <y.lesaint at gmail.com>
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2005 00:15:15 +0300
From: Janne Jokitalo <janne.jokitalo at dnainternet.net>
Subject: Re: Installing Hoary on dual P2 300MHz is really slow
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 23:09 +0200, Yannick Le Saint (kyncani) wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 23:33 +0300, Janne Jokitalo wrote:
> > I'd really use some help concerning the install of Hoary on a dual 
P2
> > 300MHz machine. It seems that the install begins correctly, but
> > progresses very slowly after a few procedures next to choosing what 
type
> > of install you want. To be strict, it seems slow down when 'Creating
> > initial device nodes...'.
> >
> > It seems it has to do with ACPI, as the motherboard is really old
> > (dating back to 1997/1998), and probably with DMA. I'm not familiar 
with
> > the architecture of this type of processor/bus systems, but I've 
done
> > quite a bit of googling and from what I understand, the problem 
should
> > be fixed by entering commands 'acpi=off apic' and possibly 
'idebusf'
> > or the appropriate bus speed number anyway, but nothing helps for 
this
> > system.
>
>   Have you checked the kernel logs ? Any error ?

Hello Yannick,

to be frank, I find that quite hard since I cannot wait for the system
to install all the way thru. Once I had the patience to wait for the
installation dialogs to pop up. That took, I believe, 1.2 hours. :)

But, in my ignorance I may not be looking this at the right angle. Can
you point me to the right direction; meaning, how to look at such if the
system isn't installed yet?


Thanks a bunch!


--
Jaska





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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 17:08:43 -0400
From: poptones <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
Subject: Re: Performance shock
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: <poptones.1rnyza at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>


-I went back and make the same adjustments and it performs about three

times as fast including starting applications as it did when I

installed Ubuntu on the first try.-



What adjustments? Using google (Linuxjournal's search engine doesn't
seem to work, at least on my ubuntu/firefox setup - good way to get
subscribers, guys!) I was able to find all the articles but I find
nothing in the ubuntu "review" about any modifications. Where does one
find documented these "adjustments" of which you you speak?


--
poptones



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 22:21:18 +0100
From: Norman Silverstone <norman at littletank.org>
Subject: Re: Photography
To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
Message-ID: <1120512079.25265.7.camel at localhost.localdomain>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 12:35 -0700, Judd Pickell wrote:
> I am looking for a good newsgroup for GIMP, can you give me the
> information on the one you joined, please? Old Photoshop user, with a
> serious need for understanding how to make GIMP work for me..

The news group is comp.graphics.apps.gimp. You may also find one or two
of these of some use. You can download "Grocking the Gimp" probably the
best reference book and gimpguru tutorials are very revealing.

http://www.philisoft.com/graphics/index.php
http://www.cit.gu.edu.au/~anthony/graphics/imagick6/
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~hodsond/dbp.html
http://registry.gimp.org/index.jsp
http://shallowsky.com/linux/limaging.html
http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/

I hope these are helpful.

Norman




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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 16:46:40 -0500
From: ajtiM <ajtim at wi.rr.com>
Subject: Re: sources.list
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <200507041646.40910.ajtim at wi.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"

On Monday 04 July 2005 12:26, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On ma, 2005-07-04 at 10:41 -0500, ajtiM wrote:
> > deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras-staging
>
> Backports servers are sometimes flaky...

Problem is not in backoprts but in security and us.archive.ubuntu. I 
tried
archive.ubuntu and it is same. I cannot use any more. I have on my 
machine
also Debian and i don't have problem with Debian repositories...but 
with
Ubuntu i have problem four day now??




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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2005 18:23:25 -0500
From: Dougie <fisheromen1031 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DVD playback
To: Ubuntu Help and User Discussions <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
Message-ID: <3fb4defa05070416233f42af8b at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

I did a little research and posted what I found here
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?tF450

On 6/28/05, Tony Arnold <tony.arnold at manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 13:13 +0200, johan buys wrote:
> > The command: sudo apt-get install libdvdcss2 to install DVD playback
> > does not work. Any suggestions? - I tried installing Mplayer but it
> > does not work
>
> Search the Ubuntu wiki. There is a script on your system that you run 
as
> root that will download and install the libdvdcss package. Can't
> remember the name of the script at this moment though.
>
> Regards,
> Tony.
> --
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