I have KDE installed on Ubuntu Hoary and if I choose Applications>SystemTools>NewLogin and then choose KDE as my session for the new login I can run both. at the same time. ctrl-alt-f7 takes me back to Gnome ctrl-alt-f8 for KDE How Kool :cool: Of course I am just a user - so don't do what I do. Maybe you can screw up your system running like this. Tomy -- Tomy