Problem installing Hoary on AMD64 Asus K8S-MX

[Matt Zimmerman]

On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 08:58:07AM +0200, Anders Wallenquist wrote:

> Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> >Perhaps this is something that you can help us with.  Many users have
> >contributed their experiences in the wiki, here:
> >
> >http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
> >
> >This information could be collected into a buying guide of sorts.
> >
> Well, to collect peoples test, buy and ebay experiences, isnt that a 
> think loop?
> I still beleive that people who makes the strategy of bundle drivers to a
> kernel also know what they are doing. The opposit is absurd; release a
> kernel for a architecture that not practically exists.  Why not match
> lists of bundled drivers for chipsets in the kernel with popular
> motherboards?

I don't understand what you mean; it sounds like you are misunderstanding
how our development process works.  While on operating systems like Windows,
hardware manufacturers provide drivers which are then bundled with the OS,
in Linux, drivers are part of the Linux kernel itself.

> I like the idea of collecting good referenses in a database that for 
> example the device manager do (ubuntu hardware database collection 
> tool), and I'm willing to contribute to that database. I think its 
> better to collect this type of information in machine readable form than 
> let hardware amateurs like me try to describe what we have infront of 
> us. Are there plans to let us plain users search this database in the 
> near future?

This raw data won't be able to provide recommendations for which computers
to buy; perhaps you would be willing to volunteer to analyze the data to
produce a buying guide?

> In an ideal world manufaktuers sends us lists of chipsets for their 
> products in the same machine readable format that we can collect and 
> match with the ubuntu hardware database :-)

We need to deal with the real world, as it stands.

> >Our amd64 kernels are not built for specific chipsets; they support any
> >chipsets that the Linux kernel developers have written support for.
> >
> Yes, and someone made a choice selecting drivers for ubuntu-installer 
> (d-i) by all drivers the Linux kernel developers has written.

The installer includes all of the disk controller drivers provided by the
kernel; it would be ludicrous to do otherwise, since the installer's job is
to get Ubuntu installed on a disk.

> >nForce happens to be what I use for testing, so I can tell you my personal
> >experience with it.
> >
> Thats my point, you had to get your personal experience to know if it 
> works. The method buy, test and ebay. (and for every purchase you get a 
> copy of Windows XP).

I don't know for whom you are recommending this process, but it sounds
expensive.

> Today the timespan for that knowledge are getting even shorter. I bought a
> HP nx7000 six month ago that works nice with Warty and Hoary, but will it
> work with nx7010 that ships today? The nx7000 did not work very well with
> Debian Sarge, so Warty made a HP customer happy after a month of
> struggeling. What laptop should I recommend with Ubuntu when I get the
> question, today, in three month?

As before, I would recommend collecting information from the community about
their experiences, and writing a buying guide based on that.

-- 
 - mdz