Ubuntu & the underdeveloped world
Michael S. Jessop
candiazoo at comcast.net
Fri Dec 17 13:17:05 UTC 2004
I am a Freemason and when we meet in Lodge there is one very strict
rule: NEVER discuss Religion or Politics! It is forbidden in an open
Lodge because it can generate too many bad feelings... sort of
contradictory to a brotherhood of friendship. :)
Maybe it should be adopted for this list.
Mike
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> 1. Re: Ubuntu & the underdeveloped world (volvoguy)
> 2. Re: "Linux is just Red Hat" (Kent Frazier)
> 3. Re: Oldest ubuntu user? (Duncan Anderson)
> 4. pbbuttondsd: Disable sleep when lid closes (Ivo Marino)
> 5. Re: Ubuntu Mini-RAM HOWTO (poptones)
> 6. Re: "Linux is just Red Hat" (Philip)
> 7. Re: "Linux is just Red Hat" (Sean Miller)
> 8. i810 Xorg (DE DOMMELIN Alexandre (LaoTseu))
> 9. Re: i810 Xorg (Daniel Stone)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 01:27:20 -0500
> From: volvoguy <volvoguy at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu & the underdeveloped world
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
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> On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:34:13 -0500, jakeslife
> <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org> wrote:
> >
> > I personally do not see what a type of government has anything to do
> > with using open source software.
>
> I agree. It's my understanding that the Sounder list exists for
> exactly this purpose - off-topic discussion. I also understand that
> it's on-topic in some ways, but it was presented more as a political
> issue than a "how do I do this with my software" issue. I'm going to
> forward this message over to Sounder. Hopefully everyone will follow
> me over. :-)
>
>
> --
> Aaron
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 00:27:40 -0600
> From: Kent Frazier <kentfrazier at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: "Linux is just Red Hat"
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <427372c204121622277b79cbc4 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:14:07 +1300, Bnonn <bnonn at orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> > Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > > Magic. Magic, I tell you. Ideally the operating system ought to make
> > > functions appear as if they are magic. The user ought not need to know
> > > the first thing about security, cron jobs, python scripts or sudo.
> > > They should be able to sit down with a minimum of training or
> > > experience necessary to turn the computer into a tool -- and, given
> > > the ideal of "freedom" affiliated with OSS, one aspect of that
> > > "freedom" is to ensure that people aren't alienated because they lack
> > > the skills needed to use OSS.
> >
> > Right, just like people should be able to get into a car with a minimum
> > of training, without knowing about steering, brakes, speed limits, or
> > roadsigns...
>
> That sounded awfully sarcastic, but if it could be managed, yes, that
> would be ideal. The thing is, its a lot easier to do that with
> computers than it is with cars, so why shouldn't we strive for it?
>
> Kent
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:05:20 +0200
> From: Duncan Anderson <duncangareth at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Oldest ubuntu user?
> To: Ubuntu User's List <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <41C28530.5030408 at yahoo.co.uk>
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>
> Steven Fredette wrote:
>
> > From: "alex" <radsky at ncia.net>
> >
> >> This probably isn't a topic for this list but I'm curious,........is
> >> anyone out there older than me.....86?
> >
> >
> > So far, I clock in at second place being 41 (almost 42), it nice
> > not to be the OF for once (I do a lot of online FPS gaming and am used
> > to being twice the age of the average player ;-)
>
> Hah! A mere stripling! I am celebrating the 31st anniversary of my 16th
> birthday this year... :-)
>
> cheers
> Duncan
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:13:14 +0100
> From: Ivo Marino <eim at mentors.debian.net>
> Subject: pbbuttondsd: Disable sleep when lid closes
> To: ubuntu-users <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <1103267594.3820.8.camel at chantel.lan.home>
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>
> Hello folks,
>
> I would like to disable the sleep mode event each time I close my lid on
> my iBook2. In order to do this I think I need to configure pbbuttonsd.
>
> Someone can point me out how? Thanks.
>
> Furthermore I'm searching for a some kind of "Sleep" or "Standby" button
> in GNOME which would allow me to suspend my iBook2 manually when I
> prefer. I had such a feature on GNOME 2.6 (Through the Power Applet).
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance for feedback.
> Regards,
>
> I.
>
> --
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> : :' : irc.FreeNode.net chan #debian-mentors
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 02:28:06 -0500
> From: poptones <ulist at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu Mini-RAM HOWTO
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <poptones.1hee4b at gs1.ubuntuforums.org>
>
>
> -I did work sometimes with Abiword; it has been improved constantly,
> but
> when I stoped to test it (6 month ago approx.) it was still not as
> stable as OOo.-
>
> How odd. Was this on ubuntu? When I tried OOo on mdk10 and 10.1 it was
> both slower and less stable than the gnome office programs. They
> integrate well with the desktop, it seems odd not to use them.
> OpenOffice, on my 500MHz PIII, even with more than 320MB of RAM is
> ridiculously slow. I still have them installed on my "main" system just
> because I've not taken the time to remove them - I never use Wordalikes
> (I prefer HTML in Scite) nor do I have any need for presentation type
> stuff (Scite again).
>
> Anyway, don't know if anyone has noticed, but if you go to some of the
> desktop sites and browse around the windows/XP desktop section you'll
> find a LOT of themes for blackbox. It would appear this minimalist
> desktop is becoming more popular with the windows crowd? A minimal
> ubuntu system configured for blackbox and running the gnome office
> programs might make a good transitional package.
>
>
> --
> poptones
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:43:42 -0800
> From: "Philip" <p.vassar at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: "Linux is just Red Hat"
> To: <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <054b01c4e40c$220e00a0$050ba8c0 at viaolaptop>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> As a "senior" citizen I vote for magic. If Linux truly wants to challenge
> Microsoft it has got to be better. I'm not talking about all the things
> Linux does better or design philosophy it just has to work easier. My
> situation is I have no sound for my riptide audio on one of my boxen. Sound
> works great in Windoze. Yes there are PD drivers that I can compile and link
> in why should I have to it should just work? Ubuntu is the best free distro
> ever and I applaud the team but until Linux can convince all the
> manufacturers to release drivers for free it is going to be a hobby.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kent Frazier" <kentfrazier at gmail.com>
> To: <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:27 PM
> Subject: Re: "Linux is just Red Hat"
>
>
> > On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:14:07 +1300, Bnonn <bnonn at orcon.net.nz> wrote:
> > > Eric Dunbar wrote:
> > > > Magic. Magic, I tell you. Ideally the operating system ought to make
> > > > functions appear as if they are magic. The user ought not need to know
> > > > the first thing about security, cron jobs, python scripts or sudo.
> > > > They should be able to sit down with a minimum of training or
> > > > experience necessary to turn the computer into a tool -- and, given
> > > > the ideal of "freedom" affiliated with OSS, one aspect of that
> > > > "freedom" is to ensure that people aren't alienated because they lack
> > > > the skills needed to use OSS.
> > >
> > > Right, just like people should be able to get into a car with a minimum
> > > of training, without knowing about steering, brakes, speed limits, or
> > > roadsigns...
> >
> > That sounded awfully sarcastic, but if it could be managed, yes, that
> > would be ideal. The thing is, its a lot easier to do that with
> > computers than it is with cars, so why shouldn't we strive for it?
> >
> > Kent
> >
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 08:10:38 +0000
> From: Sean Miller <sean at seanmiller.net>
> Subject: Re: "Linux is just Red Hat"
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <41C2947E.80309 at seanmiller.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Bah! Reply to sender strikes again... reply below (Sorry Bnonn -- you
> get it twice, my mistake)
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Bnonn wrote:
>
> > Eric Dunbar wrote:
> >
> >> Magic. Magic, I tell you. Ideally the operating system ought to make
> >> functions appear as if they are magic. The user ought not need to know
> >> the first thing about security, cron jobs, python scripts or sudo.
> >> They should be able to sit down with a minimum of training or
> >> experience necessary to turn the computer into a tool -- and, given
> >> the ideal of "freedom" affiliated with OSS, one aspect of that
> >> "freedom" is to ensure that people aren't alienated because they lack
> >> the skills needed to use OSS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Right, just like people should be able to get into a car with a
> > minimum of training, without knowing about steering, brakes, speed
> > limits, or roadsigns...
>
>
> Little unfair.... a better comparison would be that people should be
> able to get into a car without having to build their own internal
> combustion engine, or understand how it works, should be able to brake
> with confidence without having to take their wheels off every time they
> come to a hill and tweak their discs and pads, and should be able to
> understand roadsigns without having to consult a manual, or have taken a
> lengthly course.... in other words roadsigns should say "Maximum speed:
> 30mph", not "Change of speed limit: X1 (See Federal Manual, Paragraph
> 2)" or "Beware: Buffalo Crossing" not "Government Advisory P2" :-)
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 10:28:07 +0100
> From: "DE DOMMELIN Alexandre (LaoTseu)" <laotseu at laotseu.org>
> Subject: i810 Xorg
> To: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <200412171028.07665.laotseu at laotseu.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi !
>
> I'm using hoary on a i810 based laptop and I would like to use the xinerama
> function.
> I can't make it working : one time the CRT screen stays blank and when I try
> utilities like i855crt to activate the CRT output the image appears fuzzy ...
>
> Does somebody have a solution ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alex
> --
> For a light heart lives long.
> -- Shakespeare, "Love's Labour's Lost"
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:46:49 +0100
> From: Daniel Stone <daniel at fooishbar.org>
> Subject: Re: i810 Xorg
> To: "DE DOMMELIN Alexandre (LaoTseu)" <laotseu at laotseu.org>
> Cc: ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <1103273209.21778.3.camel at catsby.fooishbar.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Fri, 2004-12-17 at 10:28 +0100, DE DOMMELIN Alexandre (LaoTseu)
> wrote:
> > I'm using hoary on a i810 based laptop and I would like to use the xinerama
> > function.
> > I can't make it working : one time the CRT screen stays blank and when I try
> > utilities like i855crt to activate the CRT output the image appears fuzzy ...
> >
> > Does somebody have a solution ?
>
> I've attached my config file, which does multi-screen (with the CRT on
> the right) by default, and duplicated output (i.e. clone mode) when
> started with -layout Normal.
> -------------- next part --------------
> # XF86Config-4 (XFree86 X Window System server configuration file)
> #
> # This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
> # values from the debconf database.
> #
> # Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
> # (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
> #
> # This file is automatically updated on xserver-xfree86 package upgrades *only*
> # if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xfree86
> # package.
> #
> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
> # again, run the following commands as root:
> #
> # cp /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 /etc/X11/XF86Config-4.custom
> # md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 >/var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum
> # dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
>
> Section "Files"
> FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc"
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerFlags"
> Option "AllowClosedownGrabs" "true"
> Option "DefaultLayout" "Span"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Module"
> #Load "GLcore"
> Load "i2c"
> Load "bitmap"
> Load "ddc"
> #Load "dri"
> Load "extmod"
> Load "freetype"
> #Load "glx"
> Load "int10"
> Load "type1"
> Load "vbe"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Generic Keyboard"
> Driver "keyboard"
> Option "CoreKeyboard"
> Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
> Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
> Option "XkbLayout" "us"
> EndSection
>
> Section "InputDevice"
> Identifier "Configured Mouse"
> Driver "mouse"
> Option "CorePointer"
> Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
> Option "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
> Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "i855"
> Driver "i810"
> Option "Clone"
> Option "DevicePresence"
> Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT,LFP"
> BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "i855 Internal"
> Driver "i810"
> Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT,LFP"
> Option "NoClone"
> Option "DevicePresence"
> BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
> Screen 0
> EndSection
>
> Section "Device"
> Identifier "i855 External"
> Driver "i810"
> Option "MonitorLayout" "CRT,LFP"
> Option "NoClone"
> Option "DevicePresence"
> BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
> Screen 1
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier "Internal LCD"
> Option "DPMS"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Monitor"
> Identifier "External Display"
> Option "DPMS"
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "Normal Internal Screen"
> Device "i855"
> Monitor "Internal LCD"
> DefaultDepth 24
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 24
> Modes "1024x768"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "Internal Screen"
> Device "i855 Internal"
> Monitor "Internal LCD"
> DefaultDepth 24
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 24
> Modes "1024x768"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> Section "Screen"
> Identifier "External Screen"
> Device "i855 External"
> Monitor "External Display"
> DefaultDepth 24
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 24
> Modes "1024x768" "800x600"
> EndSubSection
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
> Identifier "Span"
> Screen 0 "Internal Screen" 0 0
> Screen 1 "External Screen" RightOf "Internal Screen"
> InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
> InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
> #Option "Xinerama"
> Option "NoClone"
> EndSection
>
> Section "ServerLayout"
> Identifier "Normal"
> Screen "Normal Internal Screen"
> InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
> InputDevice "Configured Mouse"
> Option "NoClone"
> EndSection
>
> Section "DRI"
> Mode 0666
> EndSection
>
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