ubuntu littered with malicious viruses, some oriented toward Linux

[David Coldrick]

I use ThunderBird for most of my mail, and Gmail for some, including this list.

But I must say that I haven't found gmail as wonderful as the reaction
of some folks indicated. I typically - in tbird - have a filter for
each list I subscribe to which puts the mail into a folder, again
typically one per list. And I use the fact that directories can be
nested, so Java contains Java User Group, Java this, Java that etc.
Tbird lets me search easily across directory structure - indeed the
most recent version 1.0 allows an analog of opera's capability for
defining a folder as the results of a search, and having it
automatically updated. For active lists like this one, I would use a
threaded view in tbird, so I could easily decide whether I was
interested in an entire conversation. Gmail's labels are much less
powerful, especially since you can only have a small number of them.

So I'm hangin in there with gmail - access from anywhere *is*
attractive - to see what happens, and keeping Thunderbird not just for
corporate stuff, but a number of other lists as well. We'll see.

Regards,
David


On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:42:49 -0500, Eric Dunbar <eric.dunbar at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Unfortunately using Evolution would (a) lock me into using Linux
> > > exclusively (something that I won't do) and (b) lock me into using
> > > Evolution.
> >
> > a) Why? Imap for example is very accessable from other mailclients
> > b) See A
> >
> > I use evolution (normally), mutt (when I'm away from a good client),
> > webmail (behind firewalls) and thunderbird (when I have to run
> > windows).  Works great
> 
> Problem is that I'm no great fan of Evolution. It's an acceptable
> Entourage analogue but neither Entourage nor Evolution are
> satisfactory for mailing lists. GMail has opened up a whole new
> paradigm of working with mailing lists that I just can't ignore for
> such high volume lists as the Ubuntu ones (lower volume lists are OK
> for "conventional" e-mailers like Evolution, Outlook Express, etc.).
> Admittedly, it is limited by HTML and JavaScript, but what Google has
> done with the interface is nothing less than stunning -- across a
> variety of platforms and in even more browsers it simply works!
> 
> Just because _I_ use GMail and _I_ like GMail's mailing list
> management features doesn't mean the lists should use 'reply-to' in a
> certain manner.
> 
> > >>  >The LIST sent me this message.  If I reply to the message, it should go
> > >>  >back to the list.  The author didn't send it to me, he sent it to the
> > >>  >LIST.  The list sent it to me.
> > >
> > >>  I know this stirs strongly held opinions, but why would this be the wrong
> > >>  way to do things?  Answer to be as brief and logical as the quote from
> > >>  ROMeyn at the head of the email please...
> > >>
> > >The mail client should set policy, not the list.
> > >If I want to reply to the list, i use the reply to list button.
> > >If I want to reply to the user, i use the reply button.
> > >Setting reply-to to the list breaks this.
> > >-Thom
> 
> Of course, chances are you are in the minority on this one, so
> (provided my assumption is right, and I suspect it is) you are
> advocating things be the logical way for a minority (I receive
> _sooooo_ many double posts which muck up GMail's filtering b/c it
> thinks (rightly so) that the message is also a private communication &
> thus shouldn't be archived & filtered).
> 
> Again, just b/c _I_ am on GMail and it doesn't work well with the
> (logically expected list) behaviour, doesn't mean that reply-to should
> be the way I suggest it ought to be.
> 
> > OK...so what I'm getting from this is that "Mailing Lists" are merely
> > E-mail "reflectors" and when you subscribe you effectively set up a
> > mirror pointing in your direction?  I've never really thought of them
> > that way, but if I do, then your assertion makes sense.
> >
> > But getting back to my "lowest common denominator" argument:  While
> > this is an Ubuntu list, the logical assumption may be that everyone
> > subscribed to the list is using Ubuntu/Evolution to do so.  I am not.
> 
> And neither am I, and judging by the headers of most people, neither are they.
> 
> > My main computer is a Mac PowerBook running OS X.  I'm a Eudora fan
> > and user of many, MANY years and I'm not going to stop now.  Eudora
> > doesn't have a "Reply to List" feature.  It's reply to the message or
> > "Reply to all".  The latter is what I have to do and then manually
> > strip out the original author so that I'm not one of "those people"
> > who sends a message to both.
> 
> Or, as happens when I'm feeling lazy, everyone and their dog who was
> cc-ed originally will also get it...
> 
> What is frustrating is that _some_ (not all IIRC) of the Ubuntu lists
> are the only lists to which I am subscribed which have this behaviour
> (it is very uncommon to have reply to author rather than list). Now, I
> make sure I hit reply-all on all lists I'm subscribed too, just in
> case I'm on the wrong one. There is one exception list and in that
> case it makes perfect sense -- it's a (very high volume) swap list
> meant for people to post items for sale which means replies should go
> to the individual and not the list.
> 
> Eric.