Ubuntu-us-tx Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11

Thu Dec 24 03:43:37 GMT 2009

I agree with travis. I feel like the voting could take place over IRC, but
in such a way that anyone of the group can vote at any time, this way
Brandon can do it whenever it fits his schedule. I also think that IRC
doesn't allow adequate expression of each individual over any thought. Email
is much better because it allows us to put what we want to say, how we want
to say it. Why should meetings be planned on a single day only to be given
an hour or so? Topics should be assigned to weeks. This way, everyone can
express themselves thoroughly and a decision can be made without problems
like getting sidetracked.
I feel like the problem of using an irc channel for meetings is like a
mosquito that can't be smacked as well. Use irc for meetings and short
questions or to address a member faster than with email but not for meetings
at all.
I think that email would allow each person to meet the needs of the group
without concern over when they have to meet.

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> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:40:53 -0600
> From: Daniel Stone <webmaster at catcodesigns.net>
> Subject: Voting and meeting subjects
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> Dear Texas Team,
>
> I have said my bit about meetings and meeting voting.
>
> I have said my bit regarding why it would be useful (and just down right
> proper) to have voting outside the IRC channel
>
> Is there something that I have not said or is it just simply being ignored.
>
> I work 80+ hours a week
>
> this meeting schedule may cater to some or be convenient to most but if
> someone can not attend IRC for whatever the reason does this mean that
> they should be left out?
>
>  From what I am getting in response from Brandon and Matthew I feel that
> is exactly the intent. To disregard anyone who can not meet on chat at a
> specific time.
>
> If this is the intent Please let me know..
>
> I asked Elizabeth an honest question which I would believe would benefit
> others as well as our current state contact
>
> Please Reply
> Daniel Stone
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:29:42 -0600
> From: Brandon Tomlinson <thebwt at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Voting and meeting subjects
> To: Daniel Stone <webmaster at catcodesigns.net>
> Cc: ubuntu-us-tx at lists.ubuntu.com
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> First off, I haven't said anything in this psudeo thread in quite a while.
> (not since my "mumbo jumbo" reply, because honestly I've been wanting to
> word any responses in an inoffensive manner; and I didn't really have the
> patience to do that/still don't.)
>
> Second, sorry that we disagree with you. Deal with it.
>
> I think everyone agrees that any sort of voting should not be a quick
> event.
> We all agree that votes should be held over a period. That's reasonable,
> and
> many people have been saying that from that start (myself included).
>
> Done.
>
> so then, to do any sort of voting (what exactly do we have to vote on
> anymore anyways... other than a voting medium...). To finalize this, can we
> all agree that any digital democracy (to avoid sounding like "mumbo jumbo",
> that means "voting") be handled over email until we have a more
> sophisticated system in place?
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Daniel Stone
> <webmaster at catcodesigns.net>wrote:
>
> > Dear Texas Team,
> >
> > I have said my bit about meetings and meeting voting.
> >
> > I have said my bit regarding why it would be useful (and just down right
> > proper) to have voting outside the IRC channel
> >
> > Is there something that I have not said or is it just simply being
> ignored.
> >
> > I work 80+ hours a week
> >
> > this meeting schedule may cater to some or be convenient to most but if
> > someone can not attend IRC for whatever the reason does this mean that
> > they should be left out?
> >
> >  From what I am getting in response from Brandon and Matthew I feel that
> > is exactly the intent. To disregard anyone who can not meet on chat at a
> > specific time.
> >
> > If this is the intent Please let me know..
> >
> > I asked Elizabeth an honest question which I would believe would benefit
> > others as well as our current state contact
> >
> > Please Reply
> > Daniel Stone
> >
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> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:45:12 -0600
> From: Travis Beaty <twbeaty at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Voting and meeting subjects
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> Just a few thoughts of mine on all of this.  This topic seems a bit like
> a mosquito -- no matter how many times you swat at it, and you think you
> got it, it always flies back in your ear.
>
> I also believe that email would be the best way to vote as well.
> Daniel, yes, you work 80+ hours a week.  I work around 50 hours a week,
> give or take, but my one personal issue is that I work a night shift.
> So although I live in Texas, my personal time zone is more convenient to
> Syndey, Australia.  Now then, it just so happens Brandon accidentally
> picked a good time to have the IRC meetings for me ... rather late in
> the evening on a day I don't work.  But lets suppose someone was really
> out to get me, and they set it for 6:00 pm on a Thursday.  I would never
> make it.
>
> Sucks to be me.
>
> There are logs available of these meetings.  I don't expect that
> everyone will agree to have the meeting in the dead of night just for
> me.  And that's okay, because I'm not a special snowflake.  As was
> mentioned (either in email or the IRC channel, I can't recall at the
> moment), IRC is really an auxiliary means of communication anyway.  A
> good one, yes, but it is secondary to the mailing list.
>
> The mailing list would be a dandy place to have votes and debates.  I'm
> voicing my opinion at 3:30 in the morning and no one's getting woke up.
> I fail to see how anyone would get shafted if we open up a debate for a
> matter to be voted on, and leave discussion open for two weeks.  That
> should give everyone ample time to get their voice in, bow to their
> partner, wrestle in the mud, whatever it takes to get all the facts on
> the table.  When we do vote, it's as simple as replying to a thread,
> perhaps with a tag like [VOTE] in front of it, with a simple "+1/-1," or
> "YES/NO."  No need for discussion at that point, just one unambiguous
> yes or no.  But let's make discussion time a set amount of time, because
> there is nothing to be gained by talking a topic into the dirt.
>
> I really feel like we're trying to over-engineer the hell out of a
> simple thing.
>
> -- Travis (Muffinx)
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 23:29 -0600, Brandon Tomlinson wrote:
> > First off, I haven't said anything in this psudeo thread in quite a
> > while. (not since my "mumbo jumbo" reply, because honestly I've been
> > wanting to word any responses in an inoffensive manner; and I didn't
> > really have the patience to do that/still don't.)
> >
> >
> > Second, sorry that we disagree with you. Deal with it.
> >
> >
> > I think everyone agrees that any sort of voting should not be a quick
> > event. We all agree that votes should be held over a period. That's
> > reasonable, and many people have been saying that from that start
> > (myself included).
> >
> >
> > Done.
> >
> >
> > so then, to do any sort of voting (what exactly do we have to vote on
> > anymore anyways... other than a voting medium...). To finalize this,
> > can we all agree that any digital democracy (to avoid sounding like
> > "mumbo jumbo", that means "voting") be handled over email until we
> > have a more sophisticated system in place?
>
>
>
>
>
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