Ubuntu-us-tx Digest, Vol 8, Issue 11

Thu Dec 24 04:01:46 GMT 2009

Thats why we have agenda wiki pages where all can go to see what is going to
be discussed at next meeting...if it takes a month for anyone to decide on a
topic than thats a shame in itself. read the agenda pages so come meeting
time everyone will have an idea of how they feel. Not three weeks later when
everyone feels like making a decision. If no one reads the agenda pages than
that is their fault for not being in the loop of whats happeneing with team.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Kenneth Adam Miller <
kennethadammiller at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with travis. I feel like the voting could take place over IRC, but
> in such a way that anyone of the group can vote at any time, this way
> Brandon can do it whenever it fits his schedule. I also think that IRC
> doesn't allow adequate expression of each individual over any thought. Email
> is much better because it allows us to put what we want to say, how we want
> to say it. Why should meetings be planned on a single day only to be given
> an hour or so? Topics should be assigned to weeks. This way, everyone can
> express themselves thoroughly and a decision can be made without problems
> like getting sidetracked.
> I feel like the problem of using an irc channel for meetings is like a
> mosquito that can't be smacked as well. Use irc for meetings and short
> questions or to address a member faster than with email but not for meetings
> at all.
> I think that email would allow each person to meet the needs of the group
> without concern over when they have to meet.
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>   1. Voting and meeting subjects (Daniel Stone)
>>   2. Re: Voting and meeting subjects (Brandon Tomlinson)
>>   3. Re: Voting and meeting subjects (Travis Beaty)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:40:53 -0600
>> From: Daniel Stone <webmaster at catcodesigns.net>
>> Subject: Voting and meeting subjects
>> To: ubuntu-us-tx at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Message-ID: <4B304DD5.2000109 at catcodesigns.net>
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>> Dear Texas Team,
>>
>> I have said my bit about meetings and meeting voting.
>>
>> I have said my bit regarding why it would be useful (and just down right
>> proper) to have voting outside the IRC channel
>>
>> Is there something that I have not said or is it just simply being
>> ignored.
>>
>> I work 80+ hours a week
>>
>> this meeting schedule may cater to some or be convenient to most but if
>> someone can not attend IRC for whatever the reason does this mean that
>> they should be left out?
>>
>>  From what I am getting in response from Brandon and Matthew I feel that
>> is exactly the intent. To disregard anyone who can not meet on chat at a
>> specific time.
>>
>> If this is the intent Please let me know..
>>
>> I asked Elizabeth an honest question which I would believe would benefit
>> others as well as our current state contact
>>
>> Please Reply
>> Daniel Stone
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:29:42 -0600
>> From: Brandon Tomlinson <thebwt at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Voting and meeting subjects
>> To: Daniel Stone <webmaster at catcodesigns.net>
>> Cc: ubuntu-us-tx at lists.ubuntu.com
>> Message-ID:
>>        <e650491f0912212129x3a8d4f09j8a09d41d330ff873 at mail.gmail.com>
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>>
>> First off, I haven't said anything in this psudeo thread in quite a while.
>> (not since my "mumbo jumbo" reply, because honestly I've been wanting to
>> word any responses in an inoffensive manner; and I didn't really have the
>> patience to do that/still don't.)
>>
>> Second, sorry that we disagree with you. Deal with it.
>>
>> I think everyone agrees that any sort of voting should not be a quick
>> event.
>> We all agree that votes should be held over a period. That's reasonable,
>> and
>> many people have been saying that from that start (myself included).
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> so then, to do any sort of voting (what exactly do we have to vote on
>> anymore anyways... other than a voting medium...). To finalize this, can
>> we
>> all agree that any digital democracy (to avoid sounding like "mumbo
>> jumbo",
>> that means "voting") be handled over email until we have a more
>> sophisticated system in place?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Daniel Stone
>> <webmaster at catcodesigns.net>wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Texas Team,
>> >
>> > I have said my bit about meetings and meeting voting.
>> >
>> > I have said my bit regarding why it would be useful (and just down right
>> > proper) to have voting outside the IRC channel
>> >
>> > Is there something that I have not said or is it just simply being
>> ignored.
>> >
>> > I work 80+ hours a week
>> >
>> > this meeting schedule may cater to some or be convenient to most but if
>> > someone can not attend IRC for whatever the reason does this mean that
>> > they should be left out?
>> >
>> >  From what I am getting in response from Brandon and Matthew I feel that
>> > is exactly the intent. To disregard anyone who can not meet on chat at a
>> > specific time.
>> >
>> > If this is the intent Please let me know..
>> >
>> > I asked Elizabeth an honest question which I would believe would benefit
>> > others as well as our current state contact
>> >
>> > Please Reply
>> > Daniel Stone
>> >
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:45:12 -0600
>> From: Travis Beaty <twbeaty at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Voting and meeting subjects
>> To: ubuntu-us-tx at lists.ubuntu.com
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>> Just a few thoughts of mine on all of this.  This topic seems a bit like
>> a mosquito -- no matter how many times you swat at it, and you think you
>> got it, it always flies back in your ear.
>>
>> I also believe that email would be the best way to vote as well.
>> Daniel, yes, you work 80+ hours a week.  I work around 50 hours a week,
>> give or take, but my one personal issue is that I work a night shift.
>> So although I live in Texas, my personal time zone is more convenient to
>> Syndey, Australia.  Now then, it just so happens Brandon accidentally
>> picked a good time to have the IRC meetings for me ... rather late in
>> the evening on a day I don't work.  But lets suppose someone was really
>> out to get me, and they set it for 6:00 pm on a Thursday.  I would never
>> make it.
>>
>> Sucks to be me.
>>
>> There are logs available of these meetings.  I don't expect that
>> everyone will agree to have the meeting in the dead of night just for
>> me.  And that's okay, because I'm not a special snowflake.  As was
>> mentioned (either in email or the IRC channel, I can't recall at the
>> moment), IRC is really an auxiliary means of communication anyway.  A
>> good one, yes, but it is secondary to the mailing list.
>>
>> The mailing list would be a dandy place to have votes and debates.  I'm
>> voicing my opinion at 3:30 in the morning and no one's getting woke up.
>> I fail to see how anyone would get shafted if we open up a debate for a
>> matter to be voted on, and leave discussion open for two weeks.  That
>> should give everyone ample time to get their voice in, bow to their
>> partner, wrestle in the mud, whatever it takes to get all the facts on
>> the table.  When we do vote, it's as simple as replying to a thread,
>> perhaps with a tag like [VOTE] in front of it, with a simple "+1/-1," or
>> "YES/NO."  No need for discussion at that point, just one unambiguous
>> yes or no.  But let's make discussion time a set amount of time, because
>> there is nothing to be gained by talking a topic into the dirt.
>>
>> I really feel like we're trying to over-engineer the hell out of a
>> simple thing.
>>
>> -- Travis (Muffinx)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 23:29 -0600, Brandon Tomlinson wrote:
>> > First off, I haven't said anything in this psudeo thread in quite a
>> > while. (not since my "mumbo jumbo" reply, because honestly I've been
>> > wanting to word any responses in an inoffensive manner; and I didn't
>> > really have the patience to do that/still don't.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Second, sorry that we disagree with you. Deal with it.
>> >
>> >
>> > I think everyone agrees that any sort of voting should not be a quick
>> > event. We all agree that votes should be held over a period. That's
>> > reasonable, and many people have been saying that from that start
>> > (myself included).
>> >
>> >
>> > Done.
>> >
>> >
>> > so then, to do any sort of voting (what exactly do we have to vote on
>> > anymore anyways... other than a voting medium...). To finalize this,
>> > can we all agree that any digital democracy (to avoid sounding like
>> > "mumbo jumbo", that means "voting") be handled over email until we
>> > have a more sophisticated system in place?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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