[Ubuntu PA] Ubuntu-us-pa Digest, Vol 2, Issue 8
Ben Agre
nofxforever at gmail.com
Mon Jun 4 22:56:48 BST 2007
Um do you want just a python /perl script to uncheck those two and basically
uncheck everything that is not the newest kernel and/or windows xp.
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> 1. Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info (Jim Fisher)
> 2. Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info (Kevin Valentine)
> 3. Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info (Jim Fisher)
> 4. Re: Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc oo (Jim Fisher)
> 5. old world malt ppc's (Jim Fisher)
> 6. Re: Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info (Kevin Valentine)
> 7. Re: Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info (Elizabeth Bevilacqua)
> 8. Re: old world malt ppc's (Kevin Valentine)
> 9. blocking kernel upgrades - grub (Jim Fisher)
> 10. Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info (Alex Launi)
> 11. Re: Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info (Kevin Valentine)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 04:37:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Fisher <pechterbread at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Event: Girls Inc grub info
> To: kevin.valentine at gmail.com, Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania
> <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <589963.77482.qm at web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> kev
> here are the grub commands to use in .lst
>
> ## controls how many kernels should be put into the
> menu.lst
> ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not
> the
> ## alternative kernel options
> ## e.g. howmany=all
> ## howmany=7
> # howmany=all
>
> ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
> ## e.g. memtest86=true
> ## memtest86=false
> # memtest86=true
>
> ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default
> booted system
> ## can be true or false
> # updatedefaultentry=false
>
>
> jedijf
> jim fisher
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:41:56 -0400
> From: Kevin Valentine <kevin.valentine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Event: Girls Inc grub info
> To: A Mailing list for the Ubuntu Pennsylvania LoCo Team
> <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Cc: jfisher at pechtersnj.com
> Message-ID: <4663FA84.8040909 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I modified some of those yesterday. When I changed the kernel, they all
> went back to the original layout, as if I had never modified them. Have
> you tried this yourself and it works after a kernel update? I'll play
> around with it some more.
>
> -kevin
>
>
> Jim Fisher wrote:
> > kev
> > here are the grub commands to use in .lst
> >
> > ## controls how many kernels should be put into the
> > menu.lst
> > ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not
> > the
> > ## alternative kernel options
> > ## e.g. howmany=all
> > ## howmany=7
> > # howmany=all
> >
> > ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option
> > ## e.g. memtest86=true
> > ## memtest86=false
> > # memtest86=true
> >
> > ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default
> > booted system
> > ## can be true or false
> > # updatedefaultentry=false
> >
> >
> > jedijf
> > jim fisher
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 04:56:15 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Fisher <pechterbread at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info
> To: Kevin Valentine <kevin.valentine at gmail.com>, Ubuntu has got a
> friend in Pennsylvania <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <45954.60769.qm at web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> kev -
>
> never used them myself - just change .lst when
> necessary
>
> so i would simply comment out the kernels-memtest-etc.
> anything that i didn't want displayed and move windows
> up to the default and rock and roll.
>
> windows
>
> ubu kernel
>
> ubu single user
>
> maybe 3 options at boot
>
> as far as the sudo question - i agree with alex-
> exploration/breaking things is the key to learning -
> let them play freely
>
> delete all mail clients - web mail is all they need
>
> create a dir called my_files or something like that on
> the fat32 part -auto mount it - have it on the desktop
> and have them store everything there - they can break
> that directory down further as they wish - music
> photos etc -set up firefox to download everything to
> the fat32 storage area -
>
> jedijf
> jim yoda
>
> jedijf
> jim fisher
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Fisher <pechterbread at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc oo
> To: jfisher at pechtersnj.com, Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania
> <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <716310.2536.qm at web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> kev -
>
> also if the machines can handle it definitely oo
>
> its cross platform and office compatibility combined
> with
>
> power points is what the kids need.
>
> jedijf
> jim yoda
>
> my wife's online courses use power point and flash
> exclusively.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:12:42 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Fisher <pechterbread at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ubuntu PA] old world malt ppc's
> To: Kevin Valentine <kevin.valentine at gmail.com>, Ubuntu has got a
> friend in Pennsylvania <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <576304.1689.qm at web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Kev,
>
> I am going to start working on the old world's this
> week. At the installfest Terri said that they wanted
> to get rid of them now.
>
> Unfortunately, given time restraints, I don't know if
> this can be accomplished immediately.
>
> It would be a shame to waste those machines if they
> are viable.
>
> If they are willing, I can box them up and store them
> in my storage unit or at my warehouse and when/if they
> are at all viable return them to distribute to people
> who would appreciate them.
>
> Any day this week, as of now, is good for me.
>
> jedijf
> jim fisher
>
> PS: Feel free to forward this to any as needed for the
> ok. I'll include my official sig in case anyone needs
> to contact me.
>
>
>
> Jim Fisher
>
> Pechter's of Southern New Jersey, LLC
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:36:53 -0400
> From: Kevin Valentine <kevin.valentine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info
> To: jfisher at pechtersnj.com
> Cc: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania
> <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46640765.4010009 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I understand that we can change the menu.lst file. I do it all the time
> too :-) The problem is that for every kernel upgrade, your fancy custom
> menu.lst file goes back to the default config. There's got to be a way
> around this.
>
> Yep, I want to get rid of those lines too. I don't even want the
> recovery mode (single user) line in there.
>
> Try it for yourself. Edit your menut.lst file then add or remove a
> kernel from Synaptic. From what I've seen, the next time these girls
> get an upgraded kernel they're menu will look like crap. Any of you
> following this post, please confirm for yourself what I'm talking
> about. I could be very wrong. I'll be happy to say I'm retarded and
> call it a day.
>
> As for the mail client, Alex said in the chat last night that he's been
> using a mail client since he was 8 years old. I agree with you Jim but
> it seems that Alex has more insight as to what these kooky kids are into
> these days :-) I've taken off 100MB worth of Evolution and added
> Thunderbird. Geesh, mail clients? What next rock and roll? Kids are
> out of control!
>
> The shared partition already has an icon to it on the desktop. Terri
> requested that it be called 'shared'. I'll make sure firefox uses it as
> the default download location.
>
> Just read your other message. I took gnumeric and abiword off. You
> guys are right, OO is more than enough. Here's what I've done with
> software so far:
>
> removed software:
> ekiga (13MB)
> evolution (saved 102MB)
>
> added software:
> thunderbird
> xchat
> pan
> skype
> frozen bubble
>
> attempted to install:
> chromium (slow, needs dri)
> stellarium (really slow and killed X session)
> achilles (bogged down the system)
> lincity (same deal as stellarium)
>
>
> -kevin
>
>
> Jim Fisher wrote:
> > kev -
> >
> > never used them myself - just change .lst when
> > necessary
> >
> > so i would simply comment out the kernels-memtest-etc.
> > anything that i didn't want displayed and move windows
> > up to the default and rock and roll.
> >
> > windows
> >
> > ubu kernel
> >
> > ubu single user
> >
> > maybe 3 options at boot
> >
> > as far as the sudo question - i agree with alex-
> > exploration/breaking things is the key to learning -
> > let them play freely
> >
> > delete all mail clients - web mail is all they need
> >
> > create a dir called my_files or something like that on
> > the fat32 part -auto mount it - have it on the desktop
> > and have them store everything there - they can break
> > that directory down further as they wish - music
> > photos etc -set up firefox to download everything to
> > the fat32 storage area -
> >
> > jedijf
> > jim yoda
> >
> > jedijf
> > jim fisher
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:57:46 -0400
> From: Elizabeth Bevilacqua <lyz at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info
> To: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania
> <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <20070604125745.GC14532 at princessleia.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:36:53AM -0400, Kevin Valentine wrote:
> > Try it for yourself. Edit your menut.lst file then add or remove a
> > kernel from Synaptic. From what I've seen, the next time these girls
> > get an upgraded kernel they're menu will look like crap. Any of you
> > following this post, please confirm for yourself what I'm talking
> > about. I could be very wrong. I'll be happy to say I'm retarded and
> > call it a day.
>
> You're right. There is a way to fix it (it's linux, afterall) but I
> don't know off the top of my head.
>
> If we can't figure it out, I'm not sure it's a horrible thing. As Alex
> said, they don't release kernels *that* often, I don't think it'll look
> that bad - we can always just tell them to choose the top option for
> Linux.
>
> > As for the mail client, Alex said in the chat last night that he's been
> > using a mail client since he was 8 years old. I agree with you Jim but
> > it seems that Alex has more insight as to what these kooky kids are into
> > these days :-) I've taken off 100MB worth of Evolution and added
> > Thunderbird. Geesh, mail clients? What next rock and roll? Kids are
> > out of control!
>
> Hehe. Good call on Thunderbird.
>
>
> What time will this all be happening on Saturday? What is the address
> we'll be meeting at?
>
> And who else is going - carpool perhaps? :)
>
> --
> Elizabeth Bevilacqua // lyz at ubuntu.com
> Ubuntu Women Project: www.ubuntu-women.org
> Ubuntu PA US LoCo Team: www.meetlinux.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:59:22 -0400
> From: Kevin Valentine <kevin.valentine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] old world malt ppc's
> To: jfisher at pechtersnj.com
> Cc: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania
> <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46640CAA.309 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Cut 'em loose. They're too much work for us right now. I'm very into
> hardware reuse but afaik we can't do much with those even if we could
> cram a ppc Linux OS on them. What were some of their processor speeds,
> ~100MHz? I wouldn't even know how to upgrade them. Besides we need to
> be focused on the girls inc stuff. They should be dropped off at
> Elemental for processing. Maybe we could help them do that?
>
> -kevin
>
>
> Jim Fisher wrote:
> > Kev,
> >
> > I am going to start working on the old world's this
> > week. At the installfest Terri said that they wanted
> > to get rid of them now.
> >
> > Unfortunately, given time restraints, I don't know if
> > this can be accomplished immediately.
> >
> > It would be a shame to waste those machines if they
> > are viable.
> >
> > If they are willing, I can box them up and store them
> > in my storage unit or at my warehouse and when/if they
> > are at all viable return them to distribute to people
> > who would appreciate them.
> >
> > Any day this week, as of now, is good for me.
> >
> > jedijf
> > jim fisher
> >
> > PS: Feel free to forward this to any as needed for the
> > ok. I'll include my official sig in case anyone needs
> > to contact me.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Fisher
> >
> > Pechter's of Southern New Jersey, LLC
> > PO Box 2069
> > 2 Surrey Lane
> > Cinnaminson , NJ 08077
> >
> > OFFICE 856-786-8000
> >
> > FAX 856-786-0088
> >
> > EMERGENCY 1-877-713-1644
> >
> > EMAIL jfisher at pechtersnj.com
> >
> > Website: http://www.pechtersnj.com
> >
> > BLOG: http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Fisher <pechterbread at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Ubuntu PA] blocking kernel upgrades - grub
> To: Kevin Valentine <kevin.valentine at gmail.com>, Ubuntu has got a
> friend in Pennsylvania <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <721019.80501.qm at web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> kev,
>
> if you are hell bent on blocking kernel updates to
> grub
>
> check this out :
>
> 2.2 Making a change survive upgrades
>
> Depending on how frequently you upgrade your system,
> you might find that when a new kernel is installed, or
> grub is upgraded (there may be other scenarios), the
> /boot/grub/menu.lst file may be replaced by a newer
> version, or a new line might be added for the new
> kernel. In this case, your "permanent" changes might
> be as permanent as you thought.
>
> The best way to address this is to change the
> "#kopt..." line in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Note that the
> line is not commented out, even though it starts with
> a "#". See the excerpt below.
>
> ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
> ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST
> markers will be modified
> ## by the debian update-grub script except for the
> default options below
>
> ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your
> needs
>
> ## ## Start Default Options ##
> ## default kernel options
> ## default kernel options for automagic boot
> options
> ## If you want special options for specific
> kernels use kopt_x_y_z
> ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions
> can be omitted.
> ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro
> ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro
> ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro
> #
> kopt=root=UUID=fccafcc7-d7cc-4594-9459-a8f0db7b9f7f ro
>
> Add the parameter changes to the end of the line
> "#kopt...". These parameters will then be
> automatically added to any new kernel entries and
> should also survive an upgrade of grub.
>
>
> jedijf
> jim fisher
>
> Jim Fisher
>
> Pechter's of Southern New Jersey, LLC
> PO Box 2069
> 2 Surrey Lane
> Cinnaminson , NJ 08077
>
> OFFICE 856-786-8000
>
> FAX 856-786-0088
>
> EMERGENCY 1-877-713-1644
>
> EMAIL jfisher at pechtersnj.com
>
> Website: http://www.pechtersnj.com
>
> BLOG: http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:12:42 -0400
> From: Alex Launi <socialrevolutionary at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Event: Girls Inc grub info
> To: kevin.valentine at gmail.com, Ubuntu has got a friend in
> Pennsylvania <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <46641DDA.4080904 at comcast.net>
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> > I modified some of those yesterday. When I changed the kernel, they all
> > went back to the original layout, as if I had never modified them. Have
> > you tried this yourself and it works after a kernel update? I'll play
> > around with it some more.
> Can you post a copy of the menu.lst we can take a look at?
> - -- Alex Launi
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:58:55 -0400
> From: Kevin Valentine <kevin.valentine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re: Event: Girls Inc grub info
> To: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania
> <ubuntu-us-pa at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <466444CF.2090900 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Elizabeth Bevilacqua wrote:
> > You're right. There is a way to fix it (it's linux, afterall) but I
> > don't know off the top of my head.
> >
> > If we can't figure it out, I'm not sure it's a horrible thing. As Alex
> > said, they don't release kernels *that* often, I don't think it'll look
> > that bad - we can always just tell them to choose the top option for
> > Linux.
> >
> Yeah, there's got to be a way to do it. I'll look into what Jim just
> sent out when I get a chance. There's all kinds of info on grub, almost
> too much. I hope I'm not sounding too picky with this grub thing. I
> know kernels aren't updated THAT often but all it takes is one time for
> it to give them a completely different looking menu, assuming we went
> with our own custom menu.
>
> If we can't figure it out soon, we should go with your suggestion and
> always select the top most menu item. I believe this is the default
> anyway.
>
> > What time will this all be happening on Saturday? What is the address
> > we'll be meeting at?
> >
> > And who else is going - carpool perhaps? :)
> Don't know about the car pooling. I'm in Manayunk. I may just take the
> train if I don't have to bring too much stuff. As for the location
> timing ... sorry about that. The install-fest through me off. I should
> have had it in our Google calendar. It's in there now with all the
> details. For those that new to the calendar, here it is:
> http://meetlinux.com/calendar/
>
> For those that are anti-google (it happens), it's June 9th, 10am - 2pm,
> Girls Inc of Philadelphia, 1315 Walnut Street, Suite 1400, Philadelphia,
> PA 19107-4714. Be there or be square.
>
> -kevin
>
>
>
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