Um do you want just a python /perl script to uncheck those two and basically uncheck everything that is not the newest kernel and/or windows xp. <div>On 6/4/07, <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Send Ubuntu-us-pa mailing list submissions to         <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit         <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-pa"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-pa</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to         <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa-request@lists.ubuntu.com </a> You can reach the person managing the list at         <a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Ubuntu-us-pa digest..." Today's Topics:    1. Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info (Jim Fisher)    2. Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info (Kevin Valentine)    3.  Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info (Jim Fisher)    4. Re:  Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  oo (Jim Fisher)    5.  old world malt ppc's (Jim Fisher)    6. Re:  Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info (Kevin Valentine)    7. Re:  Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info (Elizabeth Bevilacqua)    8. Re:  old world malt ppc's (Kevin Valentine)    9.  blocking kernel upgrades - grub (Jim Fisher)   10. Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info (Alex Launi)   11. Re:  Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info (Kevin Valentine) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 04:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Fisher <<a href="mailto:pechterbread@yahoo.com">pechterbread@yahoo.com </a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Event: Girls Inc  grub info To: <a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>,  Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania         <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:589963.77482.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com">589963.77482.qm@web31704.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 kev here are the grub commands to use in .lst ## controls how many kernels should be put into the menu.lst ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not the ## alternative kernel options ## e.g. howmany=all ##      howmany=7 # howmany=all ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option ## e.g. memtest86=true ##      memtest86=false # memtest86=true ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system ## can be true or false # updatedefaultentry=false jedijf jim fisher ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 07:41:56 -0400 From: Kevin Valentine < <a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Event: Girls Inc  grub info To: A Mailing list for the Ubuntu Pennsylvania LoCo Team         <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com"> ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Cc: <a href="mailto:jfisher@pechtersnj.com">jfisher@pechtersnj.com</a> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4663FA84.8040909@gmail.com">4663FA84.8040909@gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I modified some of those yesterday.  When I changed the kernel, they all went back to the original layout, as if I had never modified them.  Have you tried this yourself and it works after a kernel update?  I'll play around with it some more. -kevin Jim Fisher wrote: > kev > here are the grub commands to use in .lst > > ## controls how many kernels should be put into the > menu.lst > ## only counts the first occurence of a kernel, not > the > ## alternative kernel options > ## e.g. howmany=all > ##      howmany=7 > # howmany=all > > ## should update-grub create memtest86 boot option > ## e.g. memtest86=true > ##      memtest86=false > # memtest86=true > > ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default > booted system > ## can be true or false > # updatedefaultentry=false > > > jedijf > jim fisher > > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 04:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Fisher <<a href="mailto:pechterbread@yahoo.com"> pechterbread@yahoo.com</a>> Subject: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info To: Kevin Valentine <<a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>>,        Ubuntu has got a         friend in Pennsylvania <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:45954.60769.qm@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com">45954.60769.qm@web31711.mail.mud.yahoo.com </a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 kev - never used them myself - just change .lst when necessary so i would simply comment out the kernels-memtest-etc. anything that i didn't want displayed and move windows up to the default and rock and roll. windows ubu kernel ubu single user maybe 3 options at boot as far as the sudo question - i agree with alex- exploration/breaking things is the key to learning - let them play freely delete all mail clients - web mail is all they need create a dir called my_files or something like that on the fat32 part -auto mount it - have it on the desktop and have them store everything there - they can break that directory down further as they wish - music photos etc -set up firefox to download everything to the fat32 storage area - jedijf jim yoda jedijf jim fisher ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:00:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Fisher <<a href="mailto:pechterbread@yahoo.com">pechterbread@yahoo.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  oo To: <a href="mailto:jfisher@pechtersnj.com">jfisher@pechtersnj.com</a>,     Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania         <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: < <a href="mailto:716310.2536.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com">716310.2536.qm@web31702.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 kev - also if the machines can handle it definitely oo its cross platform and office compatibility combined with power points is what the kids need. jedijf jim yoda my wife's online courses use power point and flash exclusively. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 05:12:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Fisher <<a href="mailto:pechterbread@yahoo.com">pechterbread@yahoo.com</a>> Subject: [Ubuntu PA] old world malt ppc's To: Kevin Valentine <<a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>>,        Ubuntu has got a         friend in Pennsylvania <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com </a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:576304.1689.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com">576304.1689.qm@web31707.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Kev, I am going to start working on the old world's this week.  At the installfest Terri said that they wanted to get rid of them now. Unfortunately, given time restraints, I don't know if this can be accomplished immediately. It would be a shame to waste those machines if they are viable. If they are willing, I can box them up and store them in my storage unit or at my warehouse and when/if they are at all viable return them to distribute to people who would appreciate them. Any day this week, as of now, is good for me. jedijf jim fisher PS: Feel free to forward this to any as needed for the ok.  I'll include my official sig in case anyone needs to contact me. Jim Fisher Pechter's of Southern New Jersey, LLC PO Box 2069 2 Surrey Lane Cinnaminson , NJ 08077 OFFICE 856-786-8000 FAX      856-786-0088 EMERGENCY   1-877-713-1644 EMAIL <a href="mailto:jfisher@pechtersnj.com">jfisher@pechtersnj.com</a> Website: <a href="http://www.pechtersnj.com">http://www.pechtersnj.com</a> BLOG: <a href="http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread">http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread </a> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:36:53 -0400 From: Kevin Valentine <<a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info To: <a href="mailto:jfisher@pechtersnj.com">jfisher@pechtersnj.com</a> Cc: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania         <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:46640765.4010009@gmail.com">46640765.4010009@gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I understand that we can change the menu.lst file.  I do it all the time too :-)  The problem is that for every kernel upgrade, your fancy custom menu.lst file goes back to the default config.  There's got to be a way around this. Yep, I want to get rid of those lines too.  I don't even want the recovery mode (single user) line in there. Try it for yourself.  Edit your menut.lst file then add or remove a kernel from Synaptic.  From what I've seen, the next time these girls get an upgraded kernel they're menu will look like crap.  Any of you following this post, please confirm for yourself what I'm talking about.  I could be very wrong.  I'll be happy to say I'm retarded and call it a day. As for the mail client, Alex said in the chat last night that he's been using a mail client since he was 8 years old.  I agree with you Jim but it seems that Alex has more insight as to what these kooky kids are into these days :-)  I've taken off 100MB worth of Evolution and added Thunderbird.  Geesh, mail clients?  What next rock and roll?  Kids are out of control! The shared partition already has an icon to it on the desktop.  Terri requested that it be called 'shared'.  I'll make sure firefox uses it as the default download location. Just read your other message.  I took gnumeric and abiword off.  You guys are right, OO is more than enough.  Here's what I've done with software so far: removed software:   ekiga (13MB)   evolution (saved 102MB) added software:   thunderbird   xchat   pan   skype   frozen bubble attempted to install:   chromium (slow, needs dri)   stellarium (really slow and killed X session)   achilles (bogged down the system)   lincity (same deal as stellarium) -kevin Jim Fisher wrote: > kev - > > never used them myself - just change .lst when > necessary > > so i would simply comment out the kernels-memtest-etc. > anything that i didn't want displayed and move windows > up to the default and rock and roll. > > windows > > ubu kernel > > ubu single user > > maybe 3 options at boot > > as far as the sudo question - i agree with alex- > exploration/breaking things is the key to learning - > let them play freely > > delete all mail clients - web mail is all they need > > create a dir called my_files or something like that on > the fat32 part -auto mount it - have it on the desktop > and have them store everything there - they can break > that directory down further as they wish - music > photos etc -set up firefox to download everything to > the fat32 storage area - > > jedijf > jim yoda > > jedijf > jim fisher > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 08:57:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth Bevilacqua <<a href="mailto:lyz@ubuntu.com">lyz@ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info To: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania         <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20070604125745.GC14532@princessleia.com"> 20070604125745.GC14532@princessleia.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:36:53AM -0400, Kevin Valentine wrote: > Try it for yourself.  Edit your menut.lst file then add or remove a > kernel from Synaptic.  From what I've seen, the next time these girls > get an upgraded kernel they're menu will look like crap.  Any of you > following this post, please confirm for yourself what I'm talking > about.  I could be very wrong.  I'll be happy to say I'm retarded and > call it a day. You're right. There is a way to fix it (it's linux, afterall) but I don't know off the top of my head. If we can't figure it out, I'm not sure it's a horrible thing. As Alex said, they don't release kernels *that* often, I don't think it'll look that bad - we can always just tell them to choose the top option for Linux. > As for the mail client, Alex said in the chat last night that he's been > using a mail client since he was 8 years old.  I agree with you Jim but > it seems that Alex has more insight as to what these kooky kids are into > these days :-)  I've taken off 100MB worth of Evolution and added > Thunderbird.  Geesh, mail clients?  What next rock and roll?  Kids are > out of control! Hehe. Good call on Thunderbird. What time will this all be happening on Saturday? What is the address we'll be meeting at? And who else is going - carpool perhaps? :) -- Elizabeth Bevilacqua // <a href="mailto:lyz@ubuntu.com"> lyz@ubuntu.com</a> Ubuntu Women Project: <a href="http://www.ubuntu-women.org">www.ubuntu-women.org</a> Ubuntu PA US LoCo Team: <a href="http://www.meetlinux.com">www.meetlinux.com</a> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:59:22 -0400 From: Kevin Valentine <<a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] old world malt ppc's To: <a href="mailto:jfisher@pechtersnj.com">jfisher@pechtersnj.com</a> Cc: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania         <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:46640CAA.309@gmail.com">46640CAA.309@gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Jim, Cut 'em loose.  They're too much work for us right now.  I'm very into hardware reuse but afaik we can't do much with those even if we could cram a ppc Linux OS on them.  What were some of their processor speeds, ~100MHz?  I wouldn't even know how to upgrade them.  Besides we need to be focused on the girls inc stuff.  They should be dropped off at Elemental for processing.  Maybe we could help them do that? -kevin Jim Fisher wrote: > Kev, > > I am going to start working on the old world's this > week.  At the installfest Terri said that they wanted > to get rid of them now. > > Unfortunately, given time restraints, I don't know if > this can be accomplished immediately. > > It would be a shame to waste those machines if they > are viable. > > If they are willing, I can box them up and store them > in my storage unit or at my warehouse and when/if they > are at all viable return them to distribute to people > who would appreciate them. > > Any day this week, as of now, is good for me. > > jedijf > jim fisher > > PS: Feel free to forward this to any as needed for the > ok.  I'll include my official sig in case anyone needs > to contact me. > > > > Jim Fisher > > Pechter's of Southern New Jersey, LLC > PO Box 2069 > 2 Surrey Lane > Cinnaminson , NJ 08077 > > OFFICE 856-786-8000 > > FAX      856-786-0088 > > EMERGENCY   1-877-713-1644 > > EMAIL <a href="mailto:jfisher@pechtersnj.com">jfisher@pechtersnj.com</a> > > Website: <a href="http://www.pechtersnj.com"> http://www.pechtersnj.com</a> > > BLOG: <a href="http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread">http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread</a> > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Fisher <<a href="mailto:pechterbread@yahoo.com">pechterbread@yahoo.com</a>> Subject: [Ubuntu PA] blocking kernel upgrades - grub To: Kevin Valentine < <a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>>,        Ubuntu has got a         friend in Pennsylvania <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:721019.80501.qm@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com">721019.80501.qm@web31701.mail.mud.yahoo.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 kev, if you are hell bent on blocking kernel updates to grub check this out : 2.2 Making a change survive upgrades Depending on how frequently you upgrade your system, you might find that when a new kernel is installed, or grub is upgraded (there may be other scenarios), the /boot/grub/menu.lst file may be replaced by a newer version, or a new line might be added for the new kernel. In this case, your "permanent" changes might be as permanent as you thought. The best way to address this is to change the "#kopt..." line in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Note that the line is not commented out, even though it starts with a "#". See the excerpt below.     ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST     ## lines between the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST markers will be modified     ## by the debian update-grub script except for the default options below     ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs     ## ## Start Default Options ##     ## default kernel options     ## default kernel options for automagic boot options     ## If you want special options for specific kernels use kopt_x_y_z     ## where x.y.z is kernel version. Minor versions can be omitted.     ## e.g. kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro     ## kopt_2_6_8=root=/dev/hdc1 ro     ## kopt_2_6_8_2_686=root=/dev/hdc2 ro     # kopt=root=UUID=fccafcc7-d7cc-4594-9459-a8f0db7b9f7f ro Add the parameter changes to the end of the line "#kopt...". These parameters will then be automatically added to any new kernel entries and should also survive an upgrade of grub. jedijf jim fisher Jim Fisher Pechter's of Southern New Jersey, LLC PO Box 2069 2 Surrey Lane Cinnaminson , NJ 08077 OFFICE 856-786-8000 FAX      856-786-0088 EMERGENCY   1-877-713-1644 EMAIL <a href="mailto:jfisher@pechtersnj.com">jfisher@pechtersnj.com </a> Website: <a href="http://www.pechtersnj.com">http://www.pechtersnj.com</a> BLOG: <a href="http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread">http://360.yahoo.com/pechterbread</a> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 10:12:42 -0400 From: Alex Launi <<a href="mailto:socialrevolutionary@comcast.net">socialrevolutionary@comcast.net</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Event: Girls Inc  grub info To: <a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>,  Ubuntu has got a friend in         Pennsylvania <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:46641DDA.4080904@comcast.net">46641DDA.4080904@comcast.net</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > I modified some of those yesterday.  When I changed the kernel, they all > went back to the original layout, as if I had never modified them.  Have > you tried this yourself and it works after a kernel update?  I'll play > around with it some more. Can you post a copy of the menu.lst we can take a look at? - -- Alex Launi ########################################## /"\ \ /         ASCII Ribbon Campaign X   Keep e-mail free of HTML and vCards / \ ########################################## -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZB3av2fpCm3KbxcRAnNiAJ9aW8iViGEH69+R6A7sSePdJU6G8QCgsn/N 7qAgRParXksf5zAIZc9Q0Pg= =+uK/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:58:55 -0400 From: Kevin Valentine <<a href="mailto:kevin.valentine@gmail.com">kevin.valentine@gmail.com</a>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu PA] Fwd: Re:  Event: Girls Inc  grub info To: Ubuntu has got a friend in Pennsylvania         <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:466444CF.2090900@gmail.com">466444CF.2090900@gmail.com </a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Elizabeth Bevilacqua wrote: > You're right. There is a way to fix it (it's linux, afterall) but I > don't know off the top of my head. > > If we can't figure it out, I'm not sure it's a horrible thing. As Alex > said, they don't release kernels *that* often, I don't think it'll look > that bad - we can always just tell them to choose the top option for > Linux. > Yeah, there's got to be a way to do it.  I'll look into what Jim just sent out when I get a chance.  There's all kinds of info on grub, almost too much.  I hope I'm not sounding too picky with this grub thing.  I know kernels aren't updated THAT often but all it takes is one time for it to give them a completely different looking menu, assuming we went with our own custom menu. If we can't figure it out soon, we should go with your suggestion and always select the top most menu item.  I believe this is the default anyway. > What time will this all be happening on Saturday? What is the address > we'll be meeting at? > > And who else is going - carpool perhaps? :) Don't know about the car pooling.  I'm in Manayunk.  I may just take the train if I don't have to bring too much stuff.  As for the location timing ... sorry about that.  The install-fest through me off.  I should have had it in our Google calendar.  It's in there now with all the details.  For those that new to the calendar, here it is: <a href="http://meetlinux.com/calendar/">http://meetlinux.com/calendar/</a> For those that are anti-google (it happens), it's June 9th, 10am - 2pm, Girls Inc of Philadelphia, 1315 Walnut Street, Suite 1400, Philadelphia, PA 19107-4714.  Be there or be square. -kevin ------------------------------ -- Ubuntu-us-pa mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-pa@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-pa"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-pa</a> End of Ubuntu-us-pa Digest, Vol 2, Issue 8 ****************************************** </blockquote></div>