[Michigan-LoCo] Joe Terranova: LoCo Teams Don't Need Money

Greg Grossmeier greg.grossmeier at gmail.com
Mon Sep 10 18:48:59 BST 2007

I am personally just waiting to see how it pans out.  Yes, it would be
"easier" for us if we could just use a national tax-exempt number for all
LoCo teams, but if it is going to cause this much debate (see below for
links) then it isn't worth it.

One of the people suggested making some reference material for groups
wanting to do this, and that is a great idea.

But unfortunately right now there is some emotional stuff happening on the

Here are the links (read through the threads that reference


On 9/10/07, Wolfger <wolfger at gmail.com> wrote:
> To go along with our discussion in last night's meeting about getting
> donated computers... some food for thought.
> Sent to you by Wolfger via Google Reader:
> Joe Terranova: LoCo Teams Don't Need Money<http://www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/>
> via Planet Ubuntu <http://planet.ubuntu.com/> by joe on 9/9/07
>  For those of you unaware, there's been quite a bit of discussion recently
> in the US Teams Project about the possibility of starting a non-profit
> organization, to accept donations and to shield individual LoCo teams of
> liability; the main conclusion has seemed to be that having users sign
> waivers is good enough for liability, and that "teams have and are more than
> able to function without funding and without liability coverage" (see
> discussion here <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/USTeams/Minutes/Aug30> and here<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us/2007-September/000126.html>
> ).
> In response to this, this blog is going to have a fun recurring theme over
> the next few months: how Joe spends his money. I'll be keeping you all
> updated on all the things I spend out of pocket (or other people chip in)
> for LoCo Team events, and I'll accept suggestions for alternative methods
> which require 0 dollars. I will also be making requests to Canonical to fund
> all of these needs, and letting you know of the results.
> I don't mean to call people out, start a fight, or sound bitter; I'm quite
> happy with my team, and its situation. Other teams are attempting to get
> donations, and this strange notion that LoCo teams don't need money for
> anything is holding them back. Let me make this clear: not all locations are
> donated, not all us of have Google, Sun, or Novell offices in our back yard,
> and not all of us are willing to have advocacy events in our basements. Not
> every LoCo Team can survive on t-shirts and CDs alone, and it's time this is
> made clear to those who refuse to accept that notion.
> I encourage other team leaders in a similar position to also keep us
> updated on what they're spending money on. Expect an itemized list for our
> next event on September 22nd.
> Things you can do from here:
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