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[Paul]

On Dec 10, 2007 12:30 PM, Martin Owens <doctormo at gmail.com> wrote:

> > > I thought this was a local usergroup type place, not a help group.
> >
> > I consider our work advocacy.  To date our focus has been hosting and
> > attending events to promote Ubuntu to potential new users
>
> The Ubuntu LoCo is not a user group, please see BLU (Boston Linux user
> group) if you want a user group. Our job is advocacy, looking after
> the young ubuntu community, helping people to help the ubuntu project
> and helping people help the community.


Part of the appeal of Ubuntu is that it has focus.  With those goals in
mind, one would think a group such as this would have focus as its main
goal.

I fail to see how asking people to post in a recognized format means we're
being "mean to newcomers".  It helps them become better users and better
netizens in general.


> > > Why?  Then they would know, and not do it again.  Isn't that how life
> works
> > > in pretty much any other area?
> >
> > Not everyone cares.  And in some cases, this type of unsolicited
> > feedback can zap motivation to contribute further.
>
> I'd argue that most people are not empathetic or experienced enough to
> guide mistakes; for instance I would never leave such a job in the
> hands of Paul because you've shown yourself to be quite socially
> unskilled in dealing with people. After all, volunteers don't have to
> spend their time with us; and most of these people are not interested
> out of a fascination with the technology. They are here in fact
> because they want to do good and they want to be a part of a good
> community of people trying to make the world a better place.


So, with all the help you offer to the world, posting etiquette isn't one of
them?

You obviously agree that top posting and non trimming isn't the way to do
things, so why the opposition?

Doesn't showing people that there are standards help the community in the
long run?

Why not nip bad habits in the bud?

Perhaps one day we can immortalise this on our wiki so people don't
> make the mistake of thinking that Ubuntu Massachusetts is a user
> group.


If showing people that this is not a user group is your main priority, then
you definitely should do that.

But if helping people transition into  the community and how things are
done, maybe starting with easily understood concepts like how to communicate
would be a better thing to "immortalize"
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