[CoLoCo] Ubuntu, The DNC, and Freedom
David Overcash
funnylookinhat at gmail.com
Thu Jan 24 22:47:23 GMT 2008
While I appreciate all of this discussion on the email group, it would be
great to continue this in person at our next release party as well. I think
a lot of good ideas are going around here, and whether our team members
decide to participate through whatever means I would still encourage them to
do so, so long as they don't do anything irresponsible or immature to defame
either the Ubuntu or Canonical name.
-David
On Jan 24, 2008 10:43 AM, Ringo Kamens <2600denver at gmail.com> wrote:
> A Non-partisan booth would make me feel much more comfortable.
>
> That's what I'm aiming for here.
>
>
>
> However, we should probably try to work with DPD, so that they know we
> are neutral parties.
>
> I am 100% against working with the DPD. Unfortunately, they are blocking
> off a *HUGE* area to protect the delegates aka stop protesters. If we apply
> for permits etc. chances are we won't get them. The area I'm talking about
> (the non-protest, re-take the streets, really really free market, bonanza,
> fair area) will be fine for us and doesn't entail any type of political
> message except that we should be able to distribute Ubuntu in the park. And
> I agree, we should target convention goers and convention crashers.
>
> It's a great chance to get exposure just because of the sheer numbers of
> people that will be here. One way to do it would be just to have a nice
> printed brochure with the
> latest livecd, and we could just take a shit-ton and hand them out
> downtown around that time.
>
> I agree, we should get together the week before the convention to make our
> materials. I think we should just order CD sleeves from canonical since we
> can burn our own for less than it costs to get them shipped here. We could
> even make our own sleeves. Uniforms would be cool, we can use that inkjet to
> tshirt transfer paper. We could have a "don't like capitalism? Well then
> you'll love Ubuntu" brochure, a "Want to make your business more
> cost-effective?" or "Want to customize your operating system" flyer (since
> we'll be trying to target all the groups). We could also have a wireless
> network where people could download Ubuntu. I wouldn't be surprised if
> there's some type of guerilla wireless internet set up there, so we'll just
> work with what we have.
>
>
> Couldn't find the details there. Do you have a more specific link?
>
> My philosophy has always been to "protest" or "provoke" only in the
> interest of building or doing something.
>
> I agree, which is why I think this is a great opportunity to put some
> positive energy into the festivities.
>
> Oh, and on the brochure, say if you want to try ubuntu, come to such and
> such a coffee shop or bar.
>
> Is there any place in that area where we might have connections? Also, if
> we use laptops we could do the demonstration there and charge batteries
> off-site.
>
> Comrade Ringo Kamens
>
>
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 12:22 PM, TC <telecon at infosyndicate.net> wrote:
>
> > Oh, and on the brochure, say if you want to try ubuntu, come to such and
> > such a coffee shop or bar.
> >
> > I might be able to find a volunteer to be the bar.
> >
> > TC wrote:
> > > Perhaps instead of focusing on the protests, we should just focus on
> > the
> > > entire event to get the word out to protesters and participants alike
> > > that there is a great, free, supported alternative to the Microsoft
> > > Monopoly.
> > >
> > > Democratic delegates as well as protesters should be targeted,
> > (perhaps
> > > targeted is not the best word in this case), given the chance to
> > > experience Ubuntu.
> > >
> > > However, we should probably try to work with DPD, so that they know we
> > > are neutral parties.
> > >
> > > It's a great chance to get exposure just because of the sheer numbers
> > of
> > > people that will be here.
> > >
> > > One way to do it would be just to have a nice printed brochure with
> > the
> > > latest livecd, and we could just take a shit-ton and hand them out
> > > downtown around that time.
> > >
> > > Ringo Kamens wrote:
> > >> Whoah.. that looked totally different before I sent it. Here's what I
> > >> meant to send:
> > >> Besides any protest or political partisanship is there some other way
> >
> > >> for the group to either participate in or make our presence known at
> > >> such a large event that rarely makes its way to Denver?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, that's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm not suggesting that
> > we
> > >> have a molotov-throwing contingent, but that we make our presence
> > known.
> > >> There will be thousands of people here who could be using Free
> > Software
> > >> if only they saw our booth..
> > >>
> > >> And.. why wouldn't Anarchists want Ubuntu. It's freakin ubuntu man,
> > >> everybody loves it.
> > >> Comrade Ringo Kamens
> > >> - Show quoted text -
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 24, 2008 11:44 AM, Ringo Kamens < 2600denver at gmail.com
> > >> <mailto:2600denver at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Besides any protest or political partisanship is there some other
> >
> > >> way for the group to either participate in or make our presence
> > >> known at such a large event that rarely makes its way to Denver?
> > >> And.. why wouldn't Anarchists want Ubuntu. It's freakin ubuntu
> > man,
> > >> everybody loves it.
> > >> Comrade Ringo Kamens
> > >>
> > >> Thanks, that's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm not suggesting
> > that
> > >> we have a molotov-throwing contingent, but that we make our
> > presence
> > >> known. There will be thousands of people here who could be using
> > >> Free Software if only they saw our booth..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 24, 2008 11:27 AM, Dave Vanderploeg
> > >> <dave.vanderploeg at gmail.com <mailto:dave.vanderploeg at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Wont most of the "Anarchists" not want Ubuntu on their Mac
> > >> Book's anyway?
> > >>
> > >> If you really thinks its a good fit you should bring a stack
> > of
> > >> CD's and wear a T-Shirts that says "Ask me about a Free OS"
> > or
> > >> something, just leave CoLoCo out of it. Mark Shuttleworth
> > would
> > >> personally beat each and every one of us if there's a
> > national
> > >> news story about police being injured by flying Ubuntu CD's.
> > >>
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 24, 2008 9:17 AM, TJ Heaney <tjheaney at gmail.com
> > >> <mailto: tjheaney at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> My biggest concern with Ubuntu being involved with the
> > DNC
> > >> is fear of a repeat of what happened at the RNC in New
> > York
> > >> (Go to www.2600.com <http://www.2600.com> for details).
> > >>
> > >> As an individual, I would be inclined to be part of the
> > >> protest, however, representing Ubuntu at said protest
> > would
> > >> likely be a bad step for Public Relations. Regardless of
> > if
> > >> it is true or not, many will see Ubuntu as a group of
> > >> Anarchist hackers (read: crackers) bent on world
> > >> domination(tm).
> > >>
> > >> Additionally, we would likely lose our endorsement from
> > >> Canonical. If memory serves me correct, I believe that
> > there
> > >> is some sort of clause that prevents us from being able
> > to
> > >> use Ubuntu in relation to any political issues.
> > >>
> > >> However, in the interest of maintaining a professional
> > >> environment on this list, I would like to point out that
> > we
> > >> are discussing politics....
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> TJ
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 24, 2008 9:05 AM, Ringo Kamens <
> > 2600denver at gmail.com
> > >> <mailto:2600denver at gmail.com >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I think it's sad that people here think protest
> > >> accomplishes nothing. The only thing that has ever
> > >> changed the world is protest. What about Ghandi? MLK?
> >
> > >> The 60's? I agree that lots of protest is negative ie
> > >> people going "stop that" and complaining without
> > putting
> > >> positive energy into a solution. During the DNC,
> > there's
> > >> goingto be a lot of positive protest where we create
> > the
> > >> better world that we believe in, if only for a few
> > days.
> > >>
> > >> One of the main ideas that Ubuntu sponsors is that
> > >> everybody should be able to share software and build
> > off
> > >> it, even anarchists. I think that we shouldn't
> > exclude
> > >> something because of the events political views. The
> > >> facts are that a huge section of downtown is going to
> > >> turn into a type of spontaneous parade thanks to the
> > >> thousands of activists who will be converging on the
> > >> area during the days the DNC is held here. There will
> > be
> > >> free food, transportation, love, etc. and I think
> > there
> > >> should also be free software. But if nobody wants to
> > >> distribute Ubuntu with me, that's ok.
> > >> Comrade Ringo Kamens
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 24, 2008 9:27 AM, Collins Richey
> > >> < crichey at gmail.com <mailto:crichey at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I found this little quip in a a free-read paper
> > at a
> > >> local restaurant
> > >> a few years back, and how true it rings!
> > >>
> > >> "The principal (only?) accomplishment of almost
> > all
> > >> organized protests
> > >> is to irritate those who are not participating in
> > >> the protest."
> > >>
> > >> The Comrades of the world may unite without me.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Collins Richey
> > >> If you fill your heart with regrets of
> > yesterday
> > >> and the worries
> > >> of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful
> > for.
> > >>
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