While I appreciate all of this discussion on the email group, it would be great to continue this in person at our next release party as well. I think a lot of good ideas are going around here, and whether our team members decide to participate through whatever means I would still encourage them to do so, so long as they don't do anything irresponsible or immature to defame either the Ubuntu or Canonical name. -David <div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 24, 2008 10:43 AM, Ringo Kamens <<a href="mailto:2600denver@gmail.com">2600denver@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <div class="Ih2E3d">A Non-partisan booth would make me feel much more comfortable. </div>That's what I'm aiming for here.<div class="Ih2E3d"> However, we should probably try to work with DPD, so that they know we are neutral parties. </div>I am 100% against working with the DPD. Unfortunately, they are blocking off  a *HUGE* area to protect the delegates aka stop protesters. If we apply for permits etc. chances are we won't get them. The area I'm talking about (the non-protest, re-take the streets, really really free market, bonanza, fair area) will be fine for us and doesn't entail any type of political message except that we should be able to distribute Ubuntu in the park. And I agree, we should target convention goers and convention crashers. <div class="Ih2E3d"> It's a great chance to get exposure just because of the sheer numbers of people that will be here. One way to do it would be just to have a nice printed brochure with the latest livecd, and we could just take a shit-ton and hand them out downtown around that time. </div>I agree, we should get together the week before the convention to make our materials. I think we should just order CD sleeves from canonical since we can burn our own for less than it costs to get them shipped here. We could even make our own sleeves. Uniforms would be cool, we can use that inkjet to tshirt transfer paper. We could have a "don't like capitalism? Well then you'll love Ubuntu" brochure, a "Want to make your business more cost-effective?" or "Want to customize your operating system" flyer (since we'll be trying to target all the groups). We could also have a wireless network where people could download Ubuntu. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some type of guerilla wireless internet set up there, so we'll just work with what we have. <div class="Ih2E3d"> Couldn't find the details there.  Do you have a more specific link? My philosophy has always been to "protest" or "provoke" only in the interest of building or doing something.  </div>I agree, which is why I think this is a great opportunity to put some positive energy into the festivities.<div class="Ih2E3d"> Oh, and on the brochure, say if you want to try ubuntu, come to such and such a coffee shop or bar. </div>Is there any place in that area where we might have connections? Also, if we use laptops we could do the demonstration there and charge batteries off-site. Comrade Ringo Kamens<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"> <div class="gmail_quote"> On Jan 24, 2008 12:22 PM, TC <<a href="mailto:telecon@infosyndicate.net" target="_blank">telecon@infosyndicate.net</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Oh, and on the brochure, say if you want to try ubuntu, come to such and such a coffee shop or bar. I might be able to find a volunteer to be the bar. <div><div></div><div> TC wrote: > Perhaps instead of focusing on the protests, we should just focus on the > entire event to get the word out to protesters and participants alike > that there is a great, free, supported alternative to the Microsoft > Monopoly. > > Democratic delegates as well as protesters should be targeted, (perhaps > targeted is not the best word in this case), given the chance to > experience Ubuntu. > > However, we should probably try to work with DPD, so that they know we > are neutral parties. > > It's a great chance to get exposure just because of the sheer numbers of > people that will be here. > > One way to do it would be just to have a nice printed brochure with the > latest livecd, and we could just take a shit-ton and hand them out > downtown around that time. > > Ringo Kamens wrote: >> Whoah.. that looked totally different before I sent it. Here's what I >> meant to send: >> Besides any protest or political partisanship is there some other way >> for the group to either participate in or make our presence known at >> such a large event that rarely makes its way to Denver? >> >> Thanks, that's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm not suggesting that we >> have a molotov-throwing contingent, but that we make our presence known. >> There will be thousands of people here who could be using Free Software >> if only they saw our booth.. >> >> And.. why wouldn't Anarchists want Ubuntu. It's freakin ubuntu man, >> everybody loves it. >> Comrade Ringo Kamens >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> On Jan 24, 2008 11:44 AM, Ringo Kamens < <a href="mailto:2600denver@gmail.com" target="_blank">2600denver@gmail.com</a> >> <mailto:<a href="mailto:2600denver@gmail.com" target="_blank">2600denver@gmail.com</a>> > wrote: >> >>     Besides any protest or political partisanship is there some other >>     way for the group to either participate in or make our presence >>     known at such a large event that rarely makes its way to Denver? >>     And.. why wouldn't Anarchists want Ubuntu. It's freakin ubuntu man, >>     everybody loves it. >>     Comrade Ringo Kamens >> >>     Thanks, that's exactly what I'm getting at. I'm not suggesting that >>     we have a molotov-throwing contingent, but that we make our presence >>     known. There will be thousands of people here who could be using >>     Free Software if only they saw our booth.. >> >> >>     On Jan 24, 2008 11:27 AM, Dave Vanderploeg >>     <<a href="mailto:dave.vanderploeg@gmail.com" target="_blank">dave.vanderploeg@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:dave.vanderploeg@gmail.com" target="_blank">dave.vanderploeg@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: >> >>         Wont most of the "Anarchists" not want Ubuntu on their Mac >>         Book's anyway? >> >>         If you really thinks its a good fit you should bring a stack of >>         CD's and wear a T-Shirts that says "Ask me about a Free OS" or >>         something, just leave CoLoCo out of it. Mark Shuttleworth would >>         personally beat each and every one of us if there's a national >>         news story about police being injured by flying Ubuntu CD's. >> >>         Dave >> >>         On Jan 24, 2008 9:17 AM, TJ Heaney <<a href="mailto:tjheaney@gmail.com" target="_blank">tjheaney@gmail.com</a> >>         <mailto:<a href="mailto:tjheaney@gmail.com" target="_blank"> tjheaney@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: >> >>             My biggest concern with Ubuntu being involved with the DNC >>             is fear of a repeat of what happened at the RNC in New York >>             (Go to <a href="http://www.2600.com" target="_blank">www.2600.com</a> <<a href="http://www.2600.com" target="_blank">http://www.2600.com</a>> for details). >> >>             As an individual, I would be inclined to be part of the >>             protest, however, representing Ubuntu at said protest would >>             likely be a bad step for Public Relations. Regardless of if >>             it is true or not, many will see Ubuntu as a group of >>             Anarchist hackers (read: crackers) bent on world >>             domination(tm). >> >>             Additionally, we would likely lose our endorsement from >>             Canonical. If memory serves me correct, I believe that there >>             is some sort of clause that prevents us from being able to >>             use Ubuntu in relation to any political issues. >> >>             However, in the interest of maintaining a professional >>             environment on this list, I would like to point out that we >>             are discussing politics.... >> >> >>             TJ >> >> >> >>             On Jan 24, 2008 9:05 AM, Ringo Kamens < <a href="mailto:2600denver@gmail.com" target="_blank">2600denver@gmail.com</a> >>             <mailto:<a href="mailto:2600denver@gmail.com" target="_blank"> 2600denver@gmail.com </a>>> wrote: >> >>                 I think it's sad that people here think protest >>                 accomplishes nothing. The only thing that has ever >>                 changed the world is protest. What about Ghandi? MLK? >>                 The 60's? I agree that lots of protest is negative ie >>                 people going "stop that" and complaining without putting >>                 positive energy into a solution. During the DNC, there's >>                 goingto be a lot of positive protest where we create the >>                 better world that we believe in, if only for a few days. >> >>                 One of the main ideas that Ubuntu sponsors is that >>                 everybody should be able to share software and build off >>                 it, even anarchists. I think that we shouldn't exclude >>                 something because of the events political views. The >>                 facts are that a huge section of downtown is going to >>                 turn into a type of spontaneous parade thanks to the >>                 thousands of activists who will be converging on the >>                 area during the days the DNC is held here. There will be >>                 free food, transportation, love, etc. and I think there >>                 should also be free software. But if nobody wants to >>                 distribute Ubuntu with me, that's ok. >>                 Comrade Ringo Kamens >> >> >>                 On Jan 24, 2008 9:27 AM, Collins Richey >>                 < <a href="mailto:crichey@gmail.com" target="_blank">crichey@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:crichey@gmail.com" target="_blank">crichey@gmail.com</a>>> wrote: >> >>                     I found this little quip in a a free-read paper at a >>                     local restaurant >>                     a few years back, and how true it rings! >> >>                     "The principal (only?) accomplishment of almost all >>                     organized protests >>                     is to irritate those who are not participating in >>                     the protest." >> >>                     The Comrades of the world may unite without me. >> >>                     -- >>                     Collins Richey >>                         If you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday >>                     and the worries >>                         of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. >> >>                     -- >>                     Ubuntu-us-co mailing list >>                     <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>                     <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com </a>> >>                     Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>                     <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co</a> >> >> >> >>                 -- >>                 Ubuntu-us-co mailing list >>                 <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>                 <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank"> Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>                 Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>                 <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co </a> >> >> >> >>             -- >>             Ubuntu-us-co mailing list >>             <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com </a> >>             <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>             Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>             <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co</a> >> >> >> >>         -- >>         Ubuntu-us-co mailing list >>         <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank"> Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> >>         Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >>         <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co</a> >> >> >> > -- Ubuntu-us-co mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com </a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co</a> </div></div></blockquote></div> </div></div> -- Ubuntu-us-co mailing list <a href="mailto:Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com">Ubuntu-us-co@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co" target="_blank"> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-co</a> </blockquote></div>