[CoLoCo] ! purpose of the coloco list

Jim Hutchinson jim at ubuntu-rocks.org
Tue Dec 25 19:12:03 GMT 2007 

On 12/25/07, Neal McBurnett <neal at bcn.boulder.co.us> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 12:02:20AM -0700, David Overcash wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I don't think that we are allowed to have another officially
> > hosted list from Canonical... and it becomes cumbersome for those of us who
> > have moderator priv's to keep checking even more lists for bounced messages and
> > whatnot.  : )
>
> I think we have lots of options.

True. But before we explore options, I think we need to define the
problem and then look for an option that addresses the problem. So
far, I haven't seen a description of the problem we're looking to
solve. I suspect, however, that it's the "problem" of too much mail.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think some would prefer a trimmed down
list that is "on-topic". However, how do we decide what's on topic? Is
a message about an upcoming geek session on topic? Seems like it would
be for those interested but off topic if you live far away or don't
like socializing. What about a message about a Dell-Canonical
announcement? It has nothing to do with Colorado but certainly relates
to Ubuntu. Is general Linux news off-topic? I think we can go on and
on and everyone will have a different definition of what's on or off
topic. I don't think I've seen very many messages that are 100% on or
off topic. Everything is more a shade of grey.

>
> Multiple lists is a pretty common solution.

I'm not sure more lists is the answer. Certainly, if you want to avoid
everything that is posted as off-topic then you could simply avoid
signing up for that list. But I suspect most of us would subscribe to
both and that is increasing clutter not decreasing.

Personally, I don't see a problem (maybe 'cause I'm part of it). But
maybe that's because I have figured out a solution to manage my mail
in a way that works for me. I am using my ubuntu-rocks account for all
things ubuntu related. I get around 200 messages a day between coloco
mail and launchpad. I have set up filters to tag messages and by
screening subject headings I can quickly find messages I'm interested
in and quickly delete the rest. All members can get an ubuntu-rocks
account. It's based on Gmail and has wonderful tools for managing
mail. This thread, for example, has 20 or so responses yet I only see
one message in my inbox. When I used my work address I would have 20
separate messages. I don't think the solution is to set up more lists
or ask people to make a decision about what others are interested in.
I think the solution is for each person wanting to subscribe to the
list to find a method of managing their mail that works for them. Use
technology to solve the problem as you see it in a way that you want.
If you want to tune me out, set up a filter to automatically move all
my messages to the trash.

I think the only guideline we need is that we post things that are
somehow related to either team activities or events or to Ubuntu.

Anyway, my $0.02.

Merry Chrismakwanzaka to all.
-jim

>
> I think at some point launchpad is planning to support an option of
> letting moderators (or more?) mail the membership of the launchpad
> team, so that would be another option at some point.
>
> -Neal
>
> > -David
> >
> > On Dec 24, 2007 11:42 PM, TC <telecon at infosyndicate.net> wrote:
> >
> >     Or a coloco-announce that is moderated.
> >
> >     Mitch Mahan wrote:
> >     > I had a similar thought
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > How about adding a ! to strictly CoLoCo related e-mails (and removing
> >     > that bang when things fall off-topic?).
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > This way we can sort the mail for 'casual fluff' and 'important stuff'.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > -          Mitch
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > *From:* ubuntu-us-co-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
> >     > [mailto:ubuntu-us-co-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com ] *On Behalf Of *TJ Heaney
> >     > *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2007 11:45 PM
> >     > *To:* Ubuntu Colorado Local Community Team
> >     > *Subject:* Re: [CoLoCo] purpose of the coloco list
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > The biggest problem, as with any list, is separating the wheat from the
> >     > chaff.
> >     >
> >     > A possible solution is to include a flag (manually entered) of "Off
> >     > Topic" or something when it is not entirely an Ubuntu/Linux sort of
> >     > thing, ( i.e. [CoLoCo] OFF TOPIC Billy-Bob is having a Kegger, C'mon
> >     > down y'all")
> >     >
> >     > On Dec 21, 2007 11:35 PM, W S <ws3reg at gmail.com
> >     > <mailto:ws3reg at gmail.com >> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > I guess I would be among those that say "it is what it is".  I like
> >     > the list the way it is. :)
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Dec 21, 2007 8:51 AM, Neal McBurnett < neal at bcn.boulder.co.us
> >     > <mailto:neal at bcn.boulder.co.us>> wrote:
> >     >> I'm curious what folks would like this list to be used for.
> >     >>
> >     >> My sense is that we should try to stick to the _intersection_ of
> >     >> Ubuntu and Colorado.  I.e. it is a great place for posting ideas for
> >     >> local loco activities and discussing them.  But using it to post or
> >     >> discuss general linux news duplicates other better sources.   And lots
> >     >> of general social chat can drive away folks with too much mail already
> >     >> in their mailbox.
> >     >>
> >     >> Of course everything is fun from time to time, and strict rules aren't
> >     >> much fun.  But there are better lists for general linux news and
> >     >> better places for chat.
> >     >>
> >     >> We've already seen folks unsubscribe from the list because it can get
> >     >> off-topic or low signal-to-noise.
> >     >>
> >     >> Thoughts?
> >     >>
> >     >> Neal McBurnett                 http://mcburnett.org/neal/
> >     >>
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