[Ubuntu Chicago] jaunty upgrade broke my laptop :(

[Eddie Martinez]

http://xkcd.com/349/ :)

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Michael McCune <mjmccune at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah. MS went from bundling every MS product with Windows to bundling
> almost nothing. The PC manufacturers are now bundling apps with Windows.
> In the early '90s, they couldn't even put software to help their tech
> support on a Windows PC. If nothing else came out of the antitrust case,
> MS is not as aggressive with the OEM contracts as it used to be.
>
> George Lesica wrote:
>> But lawyers are a cautious bunch. Part of the problem is that most
>> users wouldn't uninstall the MS programs even if it was possible. Just
>> like many users choose IE because it's just right there. Therefore, MS
>> would be gaining market share in other markets (anti-virus, word
>> processing, etc.) through use of the marketing power it gets from its
>> OS. That could still be construed to be an anti-trust violation
>> because it could be seen as an attempt at a vertical monopoly.
>>
>> Also, other apps ARE bundled with windows by PC manufacturers. When
>> you buy a copy of windows at retail you are getting just that:
>> windows.
>>
>> What would be interesting is if MS would allow 3rd parties to create
>> windows "distros" where other (legally licensed of course) software is
>> bundled with windows to create a custom windows install consumers
>> could buy at retail.
>>
>> Of course that would just add to the confusion my mother feels when
>> she sees 14 versions of Vista on the shelves. And since MS tries to be
>> all things to all people they have to try to keep my mother happy by
>> reducing the choices available so she doesn't get confused.
>>
>> ~ George T. Lesica
>> glesica at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michael McCune <mjmccune at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Microsoft would only bundle their programs with Windows and would not
>>> allow the PC manufacturer or end user to remove the bundled
>>> applications. If MS would allow other apps to be bundled with Windows
>>> and allowed bundled Windows apps to be removed, it would not have been a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> George Lesica wrote:
>>>
>>>> On the other hand, part of the reason MS doesn't bundle more software
>>>> is that the government used that type of software bundling against
>>>> them in the anti-trust case. Even bundling IE is highly controversial
>>>> and the EU is considering making them totally strip it out.
>>>>
>>>> ~ George T. Lesica
>>>> glesica at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Michael McCune <mjmccune at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> That's the way Windows has always been. It didn't even have a browser
>>>>> until Windows 98.
>>>>>
>>>>> Randall Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oops. If it's any consolation, it's Windows 7 beta and, although very
>>>>>> smooth and nearly as pretty as Jaunty, is totally useless to me except
>>>>>> for maybe testing things with IE 8. Did you guys know that a fresh
>>>>>> Windows install comes with nothing? I don't have time to sit around all
>>>>>> day and download programs from random sites just to make my computer work!
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> -Randy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Campbell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most of Randy's menu.list looked fine, but I would like to point out
>>>>>>> what is surely a major error in the file, though:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # This entry automatically added by the Debian installer for a
>>>>>>> non-linux OS
>>>>>>> # on /dev/sda3
>>>>>>> title           Windows Vista/Longhorn (loader)
>>>>>>> rootnoverify    (hd0,2)
>>>>>>> savedefault
>>>>>>> makeactive
>>>>>>> chainloader     +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely this entry should be removed from the system, as it may provide
>>>>>>> a backdoor for trojans and viruses of all kinds.  :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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