[Ubuntu-US-CA] the shirts

[Jack Deslippe]

Please do not send any more emails on this subject to the list.  I think it
is clear that everyone agrees that getting the shirt in as many shapes and
sizes as is cost effective is best; so people (men and women) can make up
their own mind about what they like best.  If I have another "you have mail"
sound and it is an email of people quibbling about semantics, I am going to
go crazy.
-Jack

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Nathan Haines <nhaines at ubuntu.com>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 10:15 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Good. We all should, and hopefully do. However, you don't seem to be
>> > bothered by making a statement implying dividing shirts into those
>> > with "ponies" (subtext: a "girl" motif) and those that don't.
>>
>> I don't think calling out what was a disappointingly sexist remark
>> (although probably in an attempt to be politically correct, to give the
>> benefit of the doubt) is sexist.
>>
>
> Good. I'm glad you don't mind that I called you out for making one, despite
> being way off base about why I did it. Hint: It wasn't to be politically
> correct, and let me suggest that assuming someone says something just to be
> "PC" is always a weak argument. The "ponies" statement was sexist. I
> appreciate the fact that you recognize this.
>
>
>> > Incidentally, I'm just wondering: In light of this and Mark
>> > Shuttleworth's arguable gaffes at LinuxCon, is it community policy to
>> > dig yourself in deeper after you say something ridiculous, or is the
>> > phrase, "Gee, I'm sorry. I seem to have misspoken" forbidden from the
>> > community's lexicon?
>>
>> I did not misspeak when I said that the premise that a simple shirt with
>> a logo on both sides needed to be planned specially with women in mind
>> because they had some sort of alien fashion sensibility was completely
>> non sequitur with the idea that they are people too, which was spoken in
>> the same breath by the person who suggested it.
>
>
> That would be nice, Nathan, except you seem to be falling into your typical
> cherry-picking of statements irrelevant to the main argument that, in
> several cases over the past several months, has bogged down the list.
>
> Suffice to say, the logo was not the issue when the original poster made
> his comment about separate shirts for men and women -- that was my
> understanding, although the original poster is free to jump in here and
> correct me. Also, with a limited knowledge of fashion, my understanding is
> that the differences in men's and women's t-shirts revolve around the cut of
> the collar, for example (v-neck as opposed to crew neck), or a tapering in
> the waist -- though anyone with more fashion knowledge than me is free to
> jump in here as well.
>
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