[Ubuntu-US-CA] OSCON

Grant Bowman grantbow at gmail.com
Fri May 15 18:34:15 UTC 2009

We are missing the forest for one particular tree. [1]  The
application needs to be submitted so an event can take place.

-- Grant Bowman                                   <grantbow at gmail.com>

[1] My understanding is that Ubuntu is more a concept than a word, but
I was deferring to:
     http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu which says "Ubuntu is
an African word"

   http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq/ says "Ubuntu is an African word"

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy) says "Zulu
saying is also common in Shona: munhu munhu nekuda kwevanhu." implying
the Zulu also use the term munhu as well as Ubuntu.

  The bu.edu paper is interesting and I will take the time to read it
fully, thank you very much for the URL.  As we butcher the whole
concept of what Ubuntu stands for by arguing about the word itself the
bu.edu paper cites the term "umuntu" and says:

(1) Ubuntu and religion

Ubuntu (a Zulu word) serves as the spiritual foundation of African
societies. It is a unifying vision or world view enshrined in the Zulu
maxim umuntu ngumuntu ngabantu, i.e. "a person is a person through
other persons" (Shutte, 1993:46).

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Daniel Holbert
<dholbert at cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> Just to get to an authoritative source on this issue -- quoting
> http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq/ :
>   Ubuntu, **an African word from Zulu and Xhosa**
> That FAQ page also cites both Wikipedia and an academic paper as a good
> description of the Ubuntu concept...
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu
>   http://www.bu.edu/wcp/Papers/Afri/AfriLouw.htm
> ...and both of those claim that it's a Zulu word, and make no mention of
> Xhosa.
> ~Daniel
> On 05/15/2009 09:27 AM, Nathan Haines wrote:
>> On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 03:19 -0700, Grant Bowman wrote:
>>> It is far more important to me that we get this application submitted
>>> to ensure we get space than the wording.  Can you please just
>>> S/Zulu/African/ and send the application?
>> "African" is not a language, and ubuntu was original a Xhosa word if I
>> recall correctly.
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