[ubuntu-uk] Anybody seen this, thought it might be shown, as nobody has mentioned it on here yet.....

pete smout psmouty at live.com
Thu Aug 22 11:21:54 UTC 2013

On 22/08/13 11:59, pete smout wrote:
> On 22/08/13 11:41, Paul Sutton wrote:
>> On 21/08/13 22:12, scoundrel50a wrote:
>>> On 21/08/2013 17:07, Colin Law wrote:
>>>> On 21 August 2013 16:57, Gareth France <gareth.france at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 21/08/13 10:13, scoundrel50a wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I really dont understand the attitude of attack when somebody posts
>>>>> something like this. Not everybody is competant in using Ubuntu, and
>>>>> not
>>>>> everybody understands the risks involved especially considering for
>>>>> years
>>>>> its been pushed as a safe OS. All i have done is post this to the
>>>>> group, I
>>>>> dont appreciate this attitude. It doesnt give Ubuntu a good light when
>>>>> people see this.
>>>>> On the whole I have stopped posting to this group since there are a
>>>>> number
>>>>> of people who are obviously on pedestals above us lowly minions. Not
>>>>> so long
>>>>> back after starting a thread I was shot down in an unforgivably
>>>>> harsh manner
>>>>> by people who made assumptions about me based on absolutely no
>>>>> evidence and
>>>>> proceeded to trample all over my opinion and my self esteem.
>>>>> I have said it before and I'll say it again, not everyone is an
>>>>> expert, not
>>>>> everyone understands things that are obvious to you. Be careful how you
>>>>> respond as we are supposed to be wanting to encourage mass adoption
>>>>> and as
>>>>> many new users as possible. Insulting them, depressing them, making
>>>>> them
>>>>> feel small, they will only leave.
>>>> I don't think we know what it was that scoundrel50a was taking
>>>> exception to as the post he complained about was not about anything he
>>>> said.  Scoundrel50a can you clarify exactly what it was that worried
>>>> you?
>>>> Colin
>>> I'm sorry but if you think that Peter Maddison's reply to me was
>>> acceptable then I dont see the point in saying anything, and you shot
>>> me down yourself. Which is why I answered the way I did.
>>> I dont see any posts on here that warn people that Linux isnt
>>> completely safe and whenever its bought up, people are treated like
>>> they are idiots and its always those people that are knowledgeable
>>> about Linux.....the rest of us are treated like I have been now.
>>> An its not just this thread its thread after thread that people are
>>> shouted down in, by the same people every time.
>> If there is a threat out there,  no matter small people should be a)
>> aware of it, and b) advised on how to avoid problems,  if everyone does
>> small things to protect their own systems, then surely the wider
>> community benefits,
>> Look at how many bot nets are out there,  there seems to be several
>> million compromised Windows computers out there all chugging away and
>> awaiting some instruction to do something nasty, 
>> some of the suggestions offered are easy to implement others not so
>> unless you understand what it is asking you to do
>> #
>> Do not install unsigned packages
>> # Do not add unofficial repositories without investigating said repository
>> # Keep your system up to date at all times
>> # Keep all browser plugins up to date
>> # If your distribution has SELinux, use it
>> # Do not let others install software on your machines
>> # Use solid passwords
>> # If asked to enter root user (or sudo) password, always know why
>> Maybe what is needed here are links to sites that advise on all the
>> above issues,  the reference to SELinux could have a link to the SELinux
>> website and an explanation of what this is, why its important. useful
>> and what I should use it,  it says don't install things you don't
>> understand,  well you have asked me to install SELinux which i sort of
>> understand does this mean I should or should not install it,  (look at
>> that from a complete new user viewpoint)
>> Sometimes when advice sounds like the obvious to an expert it really
>> does baffle the novice,  lets take a step back and address each of the
>> above and perhaps help people (esp new users) to make their systems more
>> secure through education and advice.
>> I am happy to host information on the dcglug website blog if people can
>> help me explain each of the above points please, this information will
>> then be in one place and can act to help others both expert and novice
>> help others.
>> Hope this helps
>> In fact such information could or would quite possibly be something to
>> include in the ubuntu-manual project and lubuntu documentation, 
>> Paul
> Hi,
> Although I have heard of SELinux I have never used it, I believe (not
> certain) that it comes as default on modern *buntu systems?!
> Does it need setting up, if so a link to a how to would be good!
> What are the benefits if using / installing it over not having it?
> What are the pitfalls of using it (for example I use the mozilla ppa as
> the firefox version in the Ubunutu repos is too out of date for certain
> webpages, let alone from a security point of view, will it allow me to
> continue using it?)
> I think some more research on my part is needed as in my everyday world
> SEL means Shelf Edge Label so the name leads to confusion ;)
> Good Job I'm not working today and I have the time to research, if
> anyone has some good links on the subject I (if not anyone else) would
> be interested in seeing them, But google will provide the answers im sure!!
> Thanks for giving me some more research.... I dont spend enough time in
> front of a screen (lol)
> Pete Smout
Right a quick google of 'SELinux ubuntu 13.04' a link top of page to an
Amazon page trying to sell me a Ubunutu DVD for £6.49 (even I am not
that stupid) the SELinux wiki page is helpful if long-winded, and I have
found a folder /selinux which is completely empty on my system? does
that mean it is there?
Or is it there and never been configured for use?
And on a single user system (as opposed to a server) do I need it at all?

I apologize in advance if I (1) should start a new thread (will happily
do so), or (2) am asking stupid questions, but this thread has got me

Pete Smout

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