[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu/Linux is still not an OS for the masses - discuss

[azmodie]

On 13 October 2010 22:25, Will Bickerstaff <will.bickerstaff at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Isn't this what the OP was getting at. Why isn't this included as on
> option, so when the desktop fails to load, which in my experience, is
> far more common than is being indicated in this discussion, the user
> can reboot and try the 'safe graphics mode' option doing exactly this.
>
> What you've just posted, may as well be written in Urdu, the user the
> OP is describing would find this a ridiculously complicated method
> just to get a usable desktop.  What they need is a selection that
> explains in plain English this is what you do if the normal method
> doesn't produce a desktop. Why was the safe graphics mode option ever
> removed?
>
> Maybe we should even get grub to create a 'safe graphics mode' entry,
> that way if a user later experiences video issues they can at least
> get to a desktop.
>
> Old nVidia hardware is an absolute nightmare in my experience, and
> I'll be keeping clear of nVidia for a long time. I experienced bug
> 220951 on a system which failed to start X. What to do then. Unusable
> tty's and no X.... Screwed. A safe graphics mode in my boot menu would
> have made life so much easier. I've learnt, and changed my grub conf
> to always create one.
>
>
I think you hit the nail on the head.

as long as we have to rely on binary closed source drivers direct from
manufactures. these drivers will struggle to  keep up with open-source
development.

 in the meantime i think new and general users should run the more stable
Long Term Support release (LTS). as it is generally the most stable release
compared to the 6 monthly release. tends to upgrade to next LTS more
reliably than the 6 monthly to 6 monthly. also the LTS is a 2 year release
cycle. allowing longer between updates. (not sure this is made clear enough
for new  users).

(note this doesn't deal directly with graphics issue but addresses the
overall situation.)


On 13 October 2010 22:39, Jacob Mansfield <cyberjacob at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have but one thing to say about this argument.
> DOES ANYBODY ACTUALLY CARE???
> Jacob Mansfield
> Programmer
>

 I think the discussion has some merits in user experience and the argument
has left the thread in my opinion. leaving more room for discussion.

azmodie
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