[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
Andrew Nixon
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <ubuntu at gmx.it>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <B0E1E96C-9757-4AC7-AD88-D4DFDCCF3E86 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201141146.GA16685 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communications
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <383a17600812010621n454d12d2x52ae694f0f0e5b5e at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <49341425.5070107 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <493414FE.2060509 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *could*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD video
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201191054.GA28322 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <darren at vcoc.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <342bbd654d1b1dbf225faa82bc732008 at localhost>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> british
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. Open standards are their enemy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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