[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2

Andrew Nixon andrewnixon0 at gmail.com
Tue Dec 2 08:06:06 GMT 2008


On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <andrewnixon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <andrewnixon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <andrewnixon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/2/08, Andrew Nixon <andrewnixon0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/1/08, ubuntu-uk-request at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. Re:  OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward)
>>>>>    2. Re:  OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>    3. Re:  OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>    4. Re:  OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson)
>>>>>    5. Re:  OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>    6. Re:  OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard)
>>>>>    7. Re:  OT CPU Advice (gav)
>>>>>    8. Re:  OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100
>>>>> From: Seb Ward <ubuntu at gmx.it>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
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>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000
>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> Message-ID: <B0E1E96C-9757-4AC7-AD88-D4DFDCCF3E86 at esdelle.co.uk>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money
>>>>>> built
>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks)
>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good
>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked
>>>>>> Abit
>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>> remember if it was posted here.  I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick
>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board).  I
>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000
>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201141146.GA16685 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems pretty quick
>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend and the
>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the board).  I
>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're also
>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's now
>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>> modern
>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>> desktop,
>>>>> this board:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>
>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system
>>>>> runs
>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big
>>>>> rig
>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>> I think we need to:  Reverse the polarity of the communications circuit
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000
>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> 	<383a17600812010621n454d12d2x52ae694f0f0e5b5e at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same money
>>>>>> > built
>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it rocks)
>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got good
>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always liked
>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>> > They
>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>> remember if it was posted here.  I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>
>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Chris
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000
>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> Message-ID: <49341425.5070107 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah that was it.  TBH, there's not much difference in price between
>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from MSI/Gigabite/ASUS etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000
>>>>> From: Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> Message-ID: <493414FE.2060509 at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>
>>>>> gav wrote:
>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed on a
>>>>>> modern
>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor on my
>>>>>> desktop,
>>>>>> this board:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the whole system
>>>>>> runs
>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts these big
>>>>>> rig
>>>>>> machines use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for.  I *could* make
>>>>> use
>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by the system
>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat idle at
>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that actually used
>>>>> more than two cores.  I do however sometimes tax the system so I don't
>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs.  If I didn't play HD video on my
>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently running
>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading this....
>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000
>>>>> From: "gav" <revford at blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>>>>> Message-ID: <20081201191054.GA28322 at bluemidget.local>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote:
>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's currently
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after reading
>>>>>> this....
>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps you judge
>>>>> on
>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it handles that.
>>>>>
>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the Atom back,
>>>>> 4W
>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards.  However
>>>>> that
>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle free, open
>>>>> driver 3D support.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gav Ford
>>>>> revford at blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
>>>>> I think we need to:  Repair the kettle flow
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>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000
>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <darren at vcoc.co.uk>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice
>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson"
>>>>> <chrisccoulson at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <rob at esdelle.co.uk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the same
>>>>>>> > money
>>>>>>> > built
>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard
>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+
>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff
>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, it
>>>>>>> > rocks)
>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW
>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor
>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I got
>>>>>>> > good
>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've always
>>>>>>> > liked
>>>>>>> > Abit
>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my experience.
>>>>>>> > They
>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they still do.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while ago, can't
>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here.  I'm just a bit dubious now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rob,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're probably referring to this:
>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well known
>>>>> british
>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. WHQL
>>>>> (Windows
>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying hardware
>>>>> manufacturers
>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard BIOS, VGA
>>>>> card
>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work with these
>>>>> tests.
>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market development
>>>>> program)
>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to get every
>>>>> piece
>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put pressure on
>>>>> the
>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it work for
>>>>> the
>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look at Linux
>>>>> support.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look like some
>>>>> cheap
>>>>> joke. Open standards are their enemy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
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