[ubuntu-uk] www.ubuntu-uk.org

Alan Pope alan at popey.com
Wed May 9 10:53:16 BST 2007

On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 10:37:46AM +0100, TheVeech wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 09:39 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> > On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 09:37:37AM +0100, TheVeech wrote:
> > > Where can I submit some and what dimensions?
> > > 
> > 
> > I dont think we have a process yet, but if we uploaded the whole site to bzr 
> > then it would be nice to encourage members to use that for uploading 
> > pictures. If nothing else it would increase awareness and use of 
> > launchpad/bzr.
> Dunno about bzr, TBH.  I can see quite a few people looking at it and
> not bothering.  I'm not thinking about how easy or complex bzr may be,
> but the potential gaps this highlights elsewhere.

Surely if you were told how to do it, it would pretty easy. I dont see this 
thing being done every day by every Ubuntu-UK loco member, so it's not 
exactly a headache.

It would also be a great learning exercise because bzr is used heavily in 
Ubuntu. It would be a nice way to get people learning how to use a versions 
control system.

> There isn't much, which leads me to wonder: even though Linux is gaining
> a lot more 'non-geek' users, does the approach of the 'geek days' still
> dominate how we do things in areas that may be preventing us from
> adapting enough to new users' needs and making the most of the
> influences they might bring?

There is nothing "geek" about using a service such as bzr to upload an 
image. It is just an application. Difference is it doesn't have a funky web 
2.0 frontend.

> Why aren't there prominent services like, say, Flickr or Gmail, by our
> community for people who prefer the FLOSS way of doing things and don't
> want to be tied to a company that retains the option to sell users short
> (even though Novell contradicted this, this is by far the exception to
> the rule)?  AFAIK, there's very little in this area, maybe because to
> get the quality of software we have, a lot of us have to place the
> emphasis more more on how software works, rather than examining what we
> could potentially do with it?

That's a massive sentence and I don't understand what you are asking.

> At the moment, I can pick many alternative services to, say, Flickr, but
> the independent ones are usually only independent because they exist to
> be bought out.  Sod that.

This is making bzr sound much more attractive.

> In this instance, for photos to the Ubuntu-UK site, I'd like to be able
> to upload photos to a social photo-sharing site and make this known
> through web-based email, all via high-quality projects run by the FLOSS
> community.  IMHO, what's happening with Yahoo! makes this a good time to
> be thinking about it and about another possibility for indirectly
> promoting FLOSS.

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

"Social network sites are evil because they can be bought by evil companies"

"I don't want to use an open system to upload my images, I'd like to use an 
evil social networking site".

Call me thick. I don't get it. Short sentences work well on me.


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