[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 69

Fri Jun 22 16:33:10 BST 2007

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>Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re:  suck it and see (Chris Rowson)
>    2. Re:  suck it and see (Mark Jose)
>    3. Re:  suck it and see (Andy)
>    4. Re:  Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers
>       (Ashley Smith)
>    5. Re:  Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware Suppliers
>       (Robin Hall)
>    6.  What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch"
>       (Howard Berry)
>    7. Re:  What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch"
>       (Jim Kissel)
>    8. Re:  What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch"
>       (Sean Miller)
>    9. Re:  What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths	Watch"
>       (Paul Tansom)
>   10.  Unreal Tournament (was Re:  suck it and see) (Josh Blacker)
>   11. Re:  What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths	Watch"
>       (Chris Rowson)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:18:55 +0100
>From: "Chris Rowson" <christopherrowson at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see
>To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<d6c346600706211518s1e743ea4g1836e38884b5c90c at mail.gmail.com>
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> > Me too, I tried installing it too and the installation finishes with
> >
> > You need to configure ORCA by changing /etc/orca.conf.
> > Once you're happy with that setup, you can start the
> > daemon by typing /etc/init.d/orca start''.
> >
> >
> > When I try to configure /etc/orca.conf there's nothing there!
> >
>
>I stand corrected - typing orca creates the file.
>
>On first impressions (and this may just be because I don't know how to
>use the software properly) Orca seems pretty poor.
>
>For instance, when I hover the mouse over a menu, Orca doesn't
>verbalise anything - It only indicates the availability of a menu
>option when I click on it to activate it.
>
>Part of my day job, exposes me to some accessibility Windows software
>like ZoomText (and I forget the other one we use tbh), but it seems
>much more advanced than Orca.
>
>Does Orca work better when it's all set up nicely then, or is it
>really not very good?
>
>Chris
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:21:23 +0100
>From: Mark Jose <kernowyon at kernowyon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <200706212321.23435.kernowyon at kernowyon.co.uk>
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>On Thursday 21 June 2007 22:56, Chris Rowson wrote:
> > > A most interesting mail Ian. To familiarise myself with the issues I
> > > decided to take up the challenge of installing gnome-orca!
> >
> > Me too, I tried installing it too and the installation finishes with
> >
> > You need to configure ORCA by changing /etc/orca.conf.
> > Once you're happy with that setup, you can start the
> > daemon by typing /etc/init.d/orca start''.
> >
> >
> > When I try to configure /etc/orca.conf there's nothing there!
>
>At least you got further than me! I had various errors, probably related to 
>my
>trying to install orca on Kubuntu. I have Ubuntu on my main system running 
>in
>a VM, so I shall see how it works there before I start installing the Gnome
>stuff which I suspect is missing from the KDE version and needed for orca.
>
>Mark
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:26:51 +0100
>From: Andy <stude.list at googlemail.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see
>To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<219482c0706211526l32ff4f23n8a27e5379441f2a5 at mail.gmail.com>
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>On 21/06/07, Ian Pascoe <softy.lofty.ilp at btinternet.com> wrote:
> > In fact here's a challenge for you all to do on those rainy evenings.  
>Get
> > Orca up and running - it's part of the Gnome desktop from 6.06 onwards -
> > turn your monitors off, no cheating now, and have a go at doing some of 
>your
> > normal tasks to see what I mean.
>
>Well that is an experience I certainly do NOT want to repeat.
>
>Open Synaptic and installed gnome-orca, (ORCA seemed to have nothing
>to do with screen reading, it does something with routers and SMTP I
>think).
>
>I typed "orca" in a terminal and it muttered something about Braille
>and nothing happened.
>
>I turned on assistive technology support in preferences and logged out
>and logged back in again.
>
>Checking preferences it said screen reader was unavailable (darn)
>
>So I ran "orca" from a terminal. Huge mistake, catastrophic mistake,
>one of the worst things I have ever done in Linux[0].
>
>What did it do? Displayed a message about Braille, displayed some
>trace backs for something that looked like python (something about get
>voices failing).
>
>And the froze, but not only did it freeze, it froze the terminal and
>it froze all the commands. I could move my cursor but could not click
>on anything. Well nuts to this I shall kill it,Ctrl-C in it's
>terminal. Nothing, hmm Alt-F2 to get a command line, nope nothing. Ok
>this looks serious time to break out the big guns Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get
>me console access, wtf that's didn't work either.
>
>Push the power button in a hope that at some level the kernel will see
>it and perform a shutdown, nope, Push and hold and power the system
>off.
>
>Reboot, login and oddly Orca is started for me ands works, well I say
>works but really I mean it does something. Move my cursor around and
>hear a garbled voice. I can make out it says something about system
>settings, as I had my monitor a notice that my cursor is on my System
>menu.
>
>Not wanting to cheat I turn the monitor off.
>
>Right now to open FireFox, helpfully I have a shortcut to this on the
>toolbar. I wave my mouse upwards and get the system menu again, right
>a bit nothing, right a bit more, nothing until I get what sounds like
>"terminal" Ah must be the terminal shortcut. Wave mouse around a bit
>more I must be near, and for the life of me all I get is the system
>menu description. NOT HELPFUL.
>
>Stuff this, Alt-F2 it mutters something (I forget what) I hit 'f' it
>says 'f', I hit 'i' it says 'f' (odd), hit 'r' 'e', it says 'fire' ah
>makes sense, I boot up FireFox.
>
>It says something I don't understand, then it says profile chooser, I hit 
>enter.
>
>Now It says Welcome to Ubuntu, or something similar and "HTML BOX" (or
>similar), that's a fine description of the Ubuntu start page for you.
>I try to find the URL bar with the tab key, nothing, nothing, toolbar,
>ah close nothing, something I can't quite work out. type in gmails
>address, it won't describe the page and hitting tab is not helping.
>
>I give in. Turn screen on and it appears I typed the URL in the search
>box. Oops.
>
>Am I doing something wrong here?
>
>Andy
>
>[0] Other stupid things I have done i Linux:
>1) Used ndiswrapper with an unsupported windows driver (hung the kernel)
>2) wrote a kernel module for an arm system and did the IO access a bit
>wrong, crashed the kernel.
>
>
>--
>Computers are like air conditioners.  Both stop working, if you open 
>windows.
>                 -- Adam Heath
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:53:47 +0100
>From: "Ashley Smith" <ashleysmith1 at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware
>	Suppliers
>To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:27:18 +0100
>From: Robin Hall <robinhall at f2s.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Buying from and supporting Linux Hardware
>	Suppliers
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <467B95F6.5090802 at f2s.com>
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>bill wrote:
>
> > matthew at truthisfreedom.org.uk wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:27:28 +0100, norman <norman at littletank.org> 
>wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> I'm about to start a job in the real-world (after having been forced
> >>>> to use Windows, I get to sell, support and consult on Linux from the
> >>>> 2nd July!) and one of the things I will need as part of my job is a
> >>>> solid supplier of hardware that I know will run linux and run it 
>well.
> >>>>
> >>>> As dell are refusing to sell Linux-based computers outside of the US
> >>>> (even the redhat/SLED servers seem to only be sold over there), can
> >>>> someone supply me with contact details (a website will do nicely!) of
> >>>> a company that are preferably based in the UK and supply
> >>>> servers/desktops that will run linux or come pre-installed with 
>Linux?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Best of luck in your new job. There are, of course, suppliers of
> >>> computers who sell them without pre-installed systems. Perhaps one of
> >>> those could be interested. I have had excellent service from World of
> >>> Computers who are in Cambridge.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Thanks for the heads-up, do they have a website?
> >>
> >> M.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Well done! we are all pleased for you, and look at CCL computers they
> > make then without OS installed if required.....
> > Bill Smith
> >
>I have had very good service from Novatech in Portsmith
>(www.novatech.co.uk)
>Robin Hall
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:40:23 +0100
>From: "Howard Berry" <howard at berry-loubaud.com>
>Subject: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths
>	Watch"
>To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID:
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>Hello everyone,
>As the is a nation wide listing, I wondered if my experience was
>replicated in the rest of the country.
>The plethora of "buy new cool Vista magazines" seems to elbowing the
>three Linux magazines out of existence in Wolverhampton and
>Bridgnorth.
>My main concern is that my favourite magazine "Linux User and
>Developer", to which I have subscribed for a couple of years, seems to
>have gone very ominously silent: no replies to emails, no replies to
>telephone messages. The web site is still functioning although cobwebs
>seem to be gathering on it.
>Is it me that they don't like, or have they gone belly down??
>
>
>--
>Regard,
>Howard
>Supporting Open Source Software.
>http://www.fsf.org/
>And Open Standards
>http://www.oasis-open.org/who/
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:51:58 +0100
>From: Jim Kissel <jlk at osml.eu>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags?
>	"WHSmiths Watch"
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <467B9BBE.2070504 at osml.eu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
>
>Howard Berry wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > As the is a nation wide listing, I wondered if my experience was
> > replicated in the rest of the country.
> > The plethora of "buy new cool Vista magazines" seems to elbowing the
> > three Linux magazines out of existence in Wolverhampton and
> > Bridgnorth.
> > My main concern is that my favourite magazine "Linux User and
> > Developer", to which I have subscribed for a couple of years, seems to
> > have gone very ominously silent: no replies to emails, no replies to
> > telephone messages. The web site is still functioning although cobwebs
> > seem to be gathering on it.
> > Is it me that they don't like, or have they gone belly down??
>
>I've been having similar problems with the WH Smiths in Camberley,
>Surrey.  All three used to be stocked, but when I subscribed to Linux
>Format, and dropped it from WHS's in-store ordering service, they
>helpfully dropped all three magazines.  Both the in-store ordering
>service and on the shelves.  3 months and many complaints got Linux
>Format, and Linux User back on the shelves and back in my folder.
>
>Unix U&D is been a problem for more than three months.  I finally got a
>helpful sole (WH Smith employee) to dig into the problem.  Unix U&D was
>a monthly but apparently has switched to 6x per year.  The local WHS
>informed me that the next issue of Unix U&D will be out 29th of June.
>
>We live in hope
> >
> >
>
>--
>Simple effective migration to Open Source based computing
>
>Jim Kissel
>Open Source Migrations Limited
>w: http://www.osml.eu
>e: jim.kissel at osml.eu
>p: +44(0) 8703 301044
>m: +44(0) 7976 411 679
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:00:43 +0100
>From: Sean Miller <sean at seanmiller.net>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags?
>	"WHSmiths Watch"
>To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID: <467B9DCB.2000907 at seanmiller.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>WHSmith in Wells (Somerset) had all three when I went there sometime
>last week...
>
>Sean
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 9
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:07:47 +0100
>From: Paul Tansom <paul at aptanet.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags?
>	"WHSmiths	Watch"
>To: ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com
>Message-ID: <20070622100747.GS20329 at aptanet.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>** Howard Berry <howard at berry-loubaud.com> [2007-06-22 10:42]:
> > Hello everyone,
> > As the is a nation wide listing, I wondered if my experience was
> > replicated in the rest of the country.
> > The plethora of "buy new cool Vista magazines" seems to elbowing the
> > three Linux magazines out of existence in Wolverhampton and
> > Bridgnorth.
> > My main concern is that my favourite magazine "Linux User and
> > Developer", to which I have subscribed for a couple of years, seems to
> > have gone very ominously silent: no replies to emails, no replies to
> > telephone messages. The web site is still functioning although cobwebs
> > seem to be gathering on it.
> > Is it me that they don't like, or have they gone belly down??
>** end quote [Howard Berry]
>
>I can't speak for WHSmith as I am rarely near one to check, but the
>local Tesco Extra (North Harbour, Portsmouth) carries both Linux
>Magazine and Linux Format. The local Asda used to have Linux Format, but
>trimmed down their offerings in general a year or so back now iirc.
>WHSmith in Havant used to a have the 3 Linux Magazines, but I think the
>last time I was there to buy one was August last year - nope, I tell a
>lie, October last year and then January this year; the joys of doing my
>annual accounts - and I can claim them as expenses :)
>
>--
>Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/
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>
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>
>Message: 10
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:12:52 +0100
>From: "Josh Blacker" <jkblacker at gmail.com>
>Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Unreal Tournament (was Re:  suck it and see)
>To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<81e70cbc0706220312w45c5c8f3xde7a059925d3531f at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi
>
>On 6/21/07, Mark Jose <kernowyon at kernowyon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Which version of UT Josh?  UT2004 has a Linux installer on the DVD - it 
>is a
> > shell script which will install the game for youand UT2003 also includes 
>a
> > Linux installer.
> > Earlier versions are catered for either by installing via Wine or, 
>better
> > still, using the Icculus scripts which are obtained from his web site at
> > icculus.org. Those scripts need Wine, but tweak the settings per game 
>for
> > you. Very nice and straightforward.
> > I play the original UT quite often (I find it more fun than the later
> > versions) but occasionally play 2004.
> > Incidentally, Icculus also wrote the installers used on the official 
>UT2003/4
> > Linux installs and wrote the installers which the now defunct Loki Games
> > used.
> >
> > Mark
>
>I've got Unreal Tourmanent (GOTY) installed on an external hard drive
>and have lost (lots of moving to and from uni this year and now we're
>packed up to move home, and they're not in any sensible places) the
>install disks. On windows I don't need the disks to play. Can I use
>this Loki thing to play from an existing install, do you know?
>
>--
>Josh Blacker
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:15:14 +0100
>From: "Chris Rowson" <christopherrowson at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags?
>	"WHSmiths	Watch"
>To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk at lists.ubuntu.com>
>Message-ID:
>	<d6c346600706220315o1394ff86l34d12bcbb3bffee5 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Here in Hull 'the last bastion of the whippet' I've yet to find a shop
>selling Linux mags.
>
>Chris
>
>
>
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