[ubuntu-studio-users] LTS proposal

Wed Mar 5 12:13:29 UTC 2014

Make it easy.  Match Xubuntu's schedule - 3 years.
On Mar 5, 2014 8:00 PM, <ubuntu-studio-devel-request at lists.ubuntu.com>
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>    1. Re:  LTS proposal 14.04 (Mike Holstein)
>    2. Re:  LTS proposal 14.04 (Jimmy Sj?lund)
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> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 09:36:32 -0500
> From: Mike Holstein <mikeh789 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] LTS proposal 14.04
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> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me> wrote:
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> > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014, at 10:08 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2014-02-28 at 22:35 -0500, Mike Holstein wrote:
> > > > i would like to officially object and vote 3 years to match xubuntu.
> > >
> > > This makes sense, since if user needs to troubleshoot an Xfce4 issue,
> > > the user likely would send a request to xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com.
> > > The Xubuntu mailing list unlikely can provide good help for a Xubuntu
> > > version that is obsolet.
> > >
> > >
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> > This is not the kind of support we are talking about here. Only bug
> > fixing, which is not happening much even from the Xubuntu team three
> > years in a LTS release - if at all.
> >
> > And to holstein, please make an argument for why you object. Otherwise
> > we have no idea what the reasons to your objections are.
> >
> >
> sure.. my objections are the same as the ones in this thread from other
> community members. i think it looks odd for us to offer a longer support
> for xfce than xubuntu, the flagship xfce distro which is our immediate
> upstream. i think they have a larger, more active support community that we
> do, and have decided to do 3 years, and i agree with the reasoning those
> members have presented for the 3 year support decision. i disagree with the
> arguments for the 5 year support. im a long term support release user
> exclusively on my production machine, and im not requesting a longer
> support term. is anyone? if we say 5 years, we need to be able to support
> that, and i am not of the expertise to personally help facilitate bug
> fixing. think of ubuntustudio 10.04 and what versions of jack and ardour
> are running there, and what user experience one would have in audio
> production vs running 14.04. why would we not just suggest users upgrade?
> for features and support sake..
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> i'll stand behind whatever decision the community makes.. what is the plan
> for this decision? a proper meeting and a vote? a vote in a web service?
> are we going to hash it out here on the list?
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> This is how I reason:
> >
> > * One person could handle bug fixing, in the remote possibility a
> > serious bug would appear three years in a LTS release, which I am
> > willing to do.
> > * Five years is better than three, though not a big plus, and probably
> > not something the majority of our users need.
> > * XFCE releases are supported for a very short time by upstream (I was
> > recently told), so this makes things a bit more difficult, but not
> > impossible at all to fix a bug after three years support.
> >
> > In the light of a few more details I've learned, and the fact that five
> > years support is not a big need for Ubuntu Studio, I'm changing my mind
> > and am willing to go with the three years support period.
> >
> > So, unless someone has very compelling reasons not do so, I'll propose
> > three years support for the 14.04 LTS release.
> >
> > Pragmatically speaking, we would have no problem doing five years
> > support, but again, it's not a big win.
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> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 20:10:30 +0100
> From: Jimmy Sj?lund <jimmy at sjolund.se>
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> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Kaj Ailomaa <zequence at mousike.me> wrote:
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> > In the light of a few more details I've learned, and the fact that five
> > years support is not a big need for Ubuntu Studio, I'm changing my mind
> > and am willing to go with the three years support period.
> >
> > So, unless someone has very compelling reasons not do so, I'll propose
> > three years support for the 14.04 LTS release.
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> I think both 3 or 5 years have good arguments for and against.  Personally
> I don't have any preference.
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