[Fwd: Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help]

Hartmut Noack zettberlin at linuxuse.de
Mon Nov 26 12:25:01 UTC 2012

Am 26.11.2012 12:36, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
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> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at rocketmail.com>
> To: ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:33:18 +0100
> On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 12:05 +0100, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>> Am 26.11.2012 11:28, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
>>> Not tested myself [1] and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there
>>> will follow more fixes in proposed updates.
>>> I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable
>>> desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE.
>>> Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies?
>> Downgrading does not help for long: you do not want to keep an older
>> Version of anything for more than 2-3 years, some day you will have to
>> upgrade so there are only two ways to go I guess:
>> 1.) try to get a recent version of XFCE, GIMP etc, that is configured
>> differently and thus more to your satisfaction. If you build them
>> yourself from source you have a plethora of options at compile time.
>> 2.) switch to other software. KDE works more or less the same as good
>> for me as XFCE does, if you like it leaner, try LXDE or Fluxbox. I use
>> to run Fluxbox plus XFCE-panel on my main workstation and it works like
>> a charm. I know that there is no substitute for GIMP though, let alone a
>> similar powerful app, that comes with the classic workflow known from GIMP.
>>> I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for
>>> Quantal.
>> If Evolution is first and foremost you Mail-agent, I recommend
>> Thunderbird. It just works, everywhere, allways...
>> good luck...
>> HZN
> Thank you for the recommendations.
> I wouldn't use Thunderbird, because I don't like the new style, however,
> Claws does work and I like it, but that's not a help. I need access to
> all my emails from the last years and so I have to use Evolution.

I switched from Evolution to Thunderbird a few years ago. To keep my
mails recieved using Evolution I exported them all to mbox and I did not
loose a single one. To be complete: I did not loose a single mail since
1999 when I switched from Star Office Mail to Mozilla.

Export/Import using mbox works flawlessly for me.

> I switched from KDE3 to GNOME2 and from GNOME2 to Xfce. KDE4 and GNOME3
> don't fit to my needs/workflow. I already was thinking of switching to
> LXDE, Fluxbox never satisfied my needs, but LXDE is ok.
> What happens to GIMP is a shame. It took more than 1 hour to do
> something I did in some minutes using GIMP in the past.
> The problem is that all the issues I've got are not related to the
> distro, it's caused by upstream. At the moment I'm using Ubuntu only,
> but I've got a lot of installs and I'm always ready to switch between
> Ubuntu, Debian and Arch Linux. Following all mailing lists, I read that
> Xfce 4.10 and some things that are independent of the DE and important
> for me are broken for all distros.
> I'm going to install FreeBSD 9.0, but I'm sure it can't replace Linux
> for many usages and I doubt that for equal applications thinks will
> differ to Linux. 

I am not aware of any desktop-applications, let alone image-manipulation
apps for BSD that are not built from sources available for Linux also.

Not even Solaris is different enough that a test-user could not be told
it would be some strange Linux-distro.

> Support for my RME card might be better

Really? And what about the support for the apps that you use for working
with it?

>, which won't
> help when audio and MIDI is less good supported. OTOH developers for
> audio drivers are interested in users. I never saw a reply at ALSA users
> or devel to anyone's request, when somebody had serious issues. They not
> only ignore me, but they ignore everybody.
> Regards,
> Ralf

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