To fix the broken 12.10 release proposed updates might help

[Hartmut Noack]

Am 26.11.2012 11:28, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> Not tested myself [1] and IMO this is just a minor issue, but perhaps there
> will follow more fixes in proposed updates.
> 
> I wonder if switching to another DE would help to get back a stable
> desktop environment. OTOH I'm tired of unstopping switching the DE.
> 
> Btw. is there a repository to downgrade Xfce and important dependencies?

Downgrading does not help for long: you do not want to keep an older
Version of anything for more than 2-3 years, some day you will have to
upgrade so there are only two ways to go I guess:

1.) try to get a recent version of XFCE, GIMP etc, that is configured
differently and thus more to your satisfaction. If you build them
yourself from source you have a plethora of options at compile time.

2.) switch to other software. KDE works more or less the same as good
for me as XFCE does, if you like it leaner, try LXDE or Fluxbox. I use
to run Fluxbox plus XFCE-panel on my main workstation and it works like
a charm. I know that there is no substitute for GIMP though, let alone a
similar powerful app, that comes with the classic workflow known from GIMP.

> 
> I also would like to get a downgraded version of GIMP and Evolution for
> Quantal.


If Evolution is first and foremost you Mail-agent, I recommend
Thunderbird. It just works, everywhere, allways...

good luck...

HZN



> 
> Is nobody on this list running into issues?
> 
> Btw. GIMP isn't buggy, it's still stable, but the workflow is broken,
> too much changed.
> 
> YMMV!
> 
> [1]
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: Mark Trickett <tiberopoulos at gmail.com>
> Reply-to: Xubuntu Support and User Discussions
> <xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> To: xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus and
> can't be put, there? (Andy Proctor)
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:01:21 +0200
> 
> On 26/11/12 11:57, Mark Trickett wrote:
>> Message: 1 Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:50:41 +0000 From: Andy Proctor 
>> <xubuntu.list at gpshelp.co.uk> To: xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com 
>> Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] update-manager not on any of the menus 
>> and can't be put there? Message-ID: <50B13321.9060406 at gpshelp.co.uk> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 
>> 24/11/12 18:56, Knute Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 11/24/2012 10:49 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 2012-11-24 at 08:53 -0800, Knute Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/2012 01:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2012-11-23 at 20:48 +0000, Andy Proctor wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/12 14:07, Vincent Trouilliez wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Knute Johnson
>>>>>>>>> <ubuntu at knutejohnson.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>            If I go into the Settings Manager, select Main Menu,
>>>>>>>>> select
>>>>>>>>>            a submenu (in this case System) and then attempt to 
>>>>>>>>> enable
>>>>>>>>>            the Software Updater (which is update-manager) 
>>>>>>>>> program on
>>>>>>>>>            any of the menus it disables itself in a few seconds.
>>>>>>>>> I hit
>>>>>>>>>            the checkbox next to update-manager and a few seconds
>>>>>>>>> later
>>>>>>>>>            it un-checks.  Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think yo are doing anything wrong: I did a clean 
>>>>>>>>> install of
>>>>>>>>> XUbuntu12.10 and appear to have the same problem !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually it doesn't appear to have anything to do with the
>>>>>>>>> update-manager itself, as I tried enabling other items in the 
>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>> menu and they too disable themselves a second after I check their
>>>>>>>>> boxes !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Definitely a good case for a bug report IMHO ! :-/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Vince
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agree, I've tried what you said and have the same problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>> Delete ~/.cache, I couldn't change fonts and e.g. even after editing
>>>>>>> Evolution's config I couldn't change anything, because Evolution and
>>>>>>> e.g. the appearance settings were used from the cache, even after
>>>>>>> rebooting.
>>>>>>> After deleting the cache, until now everything is ok.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hth,
>>>>>>> Ralf
>>>>>> That didn't work.  Do you need to be root to change menus?
>>>>> No, this can be done with user privileges.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did edit my menu with Alacarte (the app for "Main Menu") and I
>>>>> experienced that I couldn't edit all entries as wanted. I couldn't
>>>>> uncheck some, but delete them, I also couldn't add some apps that I
>>>>> deleted some time before to the same menu were they were before, 
>>>>> instead
>>>>> I had to put them to the sub menu "Other", deleting the cache indeed
>>>>> didn't help.
>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I found a bug for this.  It is specific to Xubuntu.  alacarte writes
>>>> the menu file to the wrong name on Xubuntu.  I just copied my
>>>> ~/.config/menus/applications.menu file to xfce-applications.menu file
>>>> and it now works fine.
>>>>
>>>> It is supposed to be fixed in R(can't remember) and they said there
>>>> was a fix in Quantal proposed but I can't find it there. The work
>>>> around is OK for now I guess.
>>>>
>>>> Bug #1069207
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>> Dear Knute, this workaround solves it, many thanks! I look forward to
>>> the fix in a future release, till then all good!
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>> I ran into this just last night. I noticed that there's an update to 
>> Alacarte (the software that is the menu item editor in Xubuntu 12.10) 
>> and it's been accepted into Pre-Release Updates Proposed. So, in 
>> Software Sources/Updater, I enabled backports, ran an update, and it 
>> was fixed.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
> Sorry major edit: Enable proposed updates.....not backports...Apologies
> 
> Mark
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