Ubuntu-Studio-users Digest, Vol 9, Issue 40
Arto Artinian
artinian at gmail.com
Tue Jan 29 14:57:45 GMT 2008
Hello,
Just a quick note regarding setting up VST, for people who are having
trouble getting things to work. One of the most helpful threads I've
seen on this matter is this:
http://www.64studio.com/howto_vst
You mileage might vary, but I followed this I got VST working under
64Studio and Planet CCRMA. With UbuntuStudio I compiled Ardour 2.1
with VST support and that works as well. Others run Reaper
(http://www.cockos.com/reaper/) via Wine, which they use as a VST host
and that works as well. So, if you must use VST under UbuntuStudio it
is possible.
It is amazing how far the Linux audio community has come. I remember
back in 1997, having to use beta non-free OSS drivers (which turned
off every 3 minutes) just to be able to use audio on the damn box. It
was all SGIs, NeXTs or Macs in those days, so thanks to the community
(both devs, of course, as well as the dedicated use, of course!)
Arto
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> 1. Re: Cinelerra and VST support (Luis de Bethencourt)
> 2. Re: Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our
> system sounds. (Eddie Armstrong)
> 3. "We're not gonna take it!" :P (Cory K.)
> 4. on the subject of helping out with ubuntu (Yvan Vander Sanden)
> 5. Re: "We're not gonna take it!" :P (Eddie Armstrong)
> 6. Re: on the subject of helping out with ubuntu (Eddie Armstrong)
> 7. Re: Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our
> system sounds. (Fernando M Lacerda)
> 8. Re: on the subject of helping out with ubuntu (Cory K.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:12:34 +0100
> From: "Luis de Bethencourt" <luisbg at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: Cinelerra and VST support
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion"
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> On Jan 29, 2008 12:42 PM, <hollunder at gmx.at> wrote:
> > On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:59:02 +0100
> > Hartmut Noack <zettberlin at linuxuse.de> wrote:
> >
> > > We must distiguish IP/licence-issues from conflicts with patents.
> > >
> > > MOST PATENTS THAT TROUBLE LINUX_USERS WORLD-WIDE ARE VOID IN EUROPE!!
> > >
> > > Anybody wonders why the heck those french Mandriva-Folks dare to ship
> > > a Distro WITH MP3-support o.o.t.b. ???
> >
> > I do wonder.
> > Afaik the mp3 patents are not software but patents on algorithms and
> > are valid in europe, but IANAL.
> >
> > There also is a difference between mp3 encoding and decoding.
> > The companies holding patents on the decoding haven't enforced their
> > patents, that's why there are so many apps that allow you to play back
> > mp3s by default but not to convert to mp3.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Philipp
> >
>
> Yes in media in general there tends to be a norm that is "let people
> playback the files" and when they like them "let's charge them to
> create them". Which I believe it is really sad.
>
> Luis de Bethencourt
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:14:07 +0000
> From: Eddie Armstrong <eddie_armstrong at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our
> system sounds.
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
> > About Eddie, show some respect please. Free software is a meritocratic
> > system. Please don't come here trying to get a flame war started, go
> > contribute as best as you can in the project that you like best.
> >
> I have been a member of this list for some time, I am on a number of
> lists including some other Ubuntu ones - I have been on the Internet for
> over 27 years! - I _do not_ start flame wars - your colleague Cory K is
> CLEARLY IN BREACH OF UBUNTU TERMS OF CONDUCT. You are scapegoating me
> and making lame excuses for his conduct
>
> I don't care how busy he is he doesn't talk to Ubuntu users that way,
> This list is supposedly to help all UbuntuStudio users of all levels -
> we all contribute in different ways - a 'developer' is not superior to
> other members of the community and cannot lambast them whenever he feels
> like it.
> I am not a troll - I do not start flame wars.
> If there is no proper and fair mediation of this list then I will seek
> a solution elsewhere - the behaviour of Cory K is contrary to the whole
> ethos of Ubuntu.
>
> Eddie
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:11:05 -0500
> From: "Cory K." <coryisatm at nc.rr.com>
> Subject: "We're not gonna take it!" :P
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> Eddie Armstrong wrote:
> > Luis de Bethencourt wrote:
> >
> >> About Eddie, show some respect please. Free software is a meritocratic
> >> system. Please don't come here trying to get a flame war started, go
> >> contribute as best as you can in the project that you like best.
> >>
> > I have been a member of this list for some time, I am on a number of
> > lists including some other Ubuntu ones - I have been on the Internet for
> > over 27 years! - I _do not_ start flame wars - your colleague Cory K is
> > CLEARLY IN BREACH OF UBUNTU TERMS OF CONDUCT. You are scapegoating me
> > and making lame excuses for his conduct
> >
> > I don't care how busy he is he doesn't talk to Ubuntu users that way,
> > This list is supposedly to help all UbuntuStudio users of all levels -
> > we all contribute in different ways - a 'developer' is not superior to
> > other members of the community and cannot lambast them whenever he feels
> > like it.
> > I am not a troll - I do not start flame wars.
> > If there is no proper and fair mediation of this list then I will seek
> > a solution elsewhere - the behaviour of Cory K is contrary to the whole
> > ethos of Ubuntu.
> >
> > Eddie
>
> Contrary or not, I'm human. I get pissed and I will say something. This
> whole bullshit POV where I'm not allowed to say something when I'm
> pissed is crap but users on lists can? Naa... I ain't gonna do it. I'm
> "human" like the rest of ya. ;)
>
>
> I'm not at all sorry and am over it. Continue if you like. Back to
> business as usual.
>
> -Cory \m/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:51:37 +0100
> From: Yvan Vander Sanden <yvan at youngmusic.org>
> Subject: on the subject of helping out with ubuntu
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <1201614697.23472.177.camel at landalf>
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>
> On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 08:11 -0500, Cory K. wrote:
> > Contrary or not, I'm human. I get pissed and I will say something. This
> > whole bullshit POV where I'm not allowed to say something when I'm
> > pissed is crap but users on lists can? Naa... I ain't gonna do it. I'm
> > "human" like the rest of ya. ;)
> >
>
> I for one think that's a fair answer :-)
>
> On the topic of helping you guys with the release of ubuntu studio, I
> have some thoughts. (You could call them 'suggestions' if you want.)
>
> A few months back I wrote that I would like to contribute to the ubuntu
> studio releases. I joined the developers list and regularly read the
> messages posted here and there. I really wanted to help out, and I still
> do, but there where very few matters I could help someone with.
>
> This is mainly because my setup just 'works'. I hardly have any problems
> with it. So if someone has a problem that goes a bit further than a
> wrong setting or something like that, it would cost me days to find out
> what it's about. I could do that kind of thing if it was in my working
> field. If it where something related to PD-audio, for example. But I
> cannot spend that much time on random subjects I know very little about.
>
> Louis spoke of the frustration the team has with people saying they want
> to help out and end up doing nothing. That's understandable.
>
> But on the other side, I tried to spot something on the list that needs
> someone to take care of, and in an area I am more or less confident I
> can do it. I haven't found anything yet, but I'll keep looking. But
> there's one problem with this approach. The things you guys need help
> with are almost never the easy things a beginning contributor can do.
>
> And if you need more contributors, it might be a good idea to create a
> framework where they can work on easy things first and learn to tackle
> more complex things when they are ready.
>
> Maybe this has been tried before, and perhaps it did not work, i don't
> know. But since you all are so busy working on Ubuntu Studio, aren't
> there some easy tasks you can delegate to beginning contributors? That
> way, you would have more time for the things that really need your
> experience.
>
> Perhaps we could make a list of things people could do to help, with a
> short explanation of what knowledge is needed to do so? I'm sure that if
> I find something that's within my limits, I'll put my money where my
> mouth is and do the job. But how to know what you would like to be done
> by someone else?
>
> Mmm... perhaps someone is needed to create and maintain such a list? ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> yvan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:57:37 +0000
> From: Eddie Armstrong <eddie_armstrong at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: "We're not gonna take it!" :P
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <479F30D1.4050209 at ntlworld.com>
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> Cory K. wrote:
> > Contrary or not, I'm human. I get pissed and I will say something. This
> > whole bullshit POV where I'm not allowed to say something when I'm
> > pissed is crap but users on lists can? Naa... I ain't gonna do it. I'm
> > "human" like the rest of ya. ;)
> >
> >
> > I'm not at all sorry and am over it. Continue if you like. Back to
> > business as usual.
> >
>
> Being a developer for Ubuntu confers both privileges and responsibilities.
> I can tell you are over it and see you have given a lot of help in the
> past but you cannot talk to people that way. It is not a POV, it is a
> responsibility and in the terms of conduct. If another user were to
> address the list like that s/he would be barred. We don't come here to
> be abused and we''re not all developers or able to answer complex
> technical questions - this list is *our* community though - it is not
> your list and you should not abuse it.
> In no field of endeavour would you be allowed to address users,
> customers etc that way and it actually is not allowed for
> representatives of the Ubuntu community. I admit I started of cross with
> you and could have been more placatory but you had been rude to all
> comers by the time I joined in.
> I think it fair you should at least undertake not to talk to the list
> members that way in the future even if you cannot apologise for your
> comments, then the matter is dropped,
> Eddie
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:03:47 +0000
> From: Eddie Armstrong <eddie_armstrong at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: on the subject of helping out with ubuntu
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <479F3243.6020000 at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Yvan Vander Sanden wrote:
> > On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 08:11 -0500, Cory K. wrote:
> >
> >> Contrary or not, I'm human. I get pissed and I will say something. This
> >> whole bullshit POV where I'm not allowed to say something when I'm
> >> pissed is crap but users on lists can? Naa... I ain't gonna do it. I'm
> >> "human" like the rest of ya. ;)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I for one think that's a fair answer :-)
> >
> I don't think anybody can reserve the right to talk to others however
> they like without consequences.
> Isn't Cory adult enough to behave properly and apologise?
> Please read this and then tell me if Cory's behaviour is acceptable
> Code of Conduct <http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct>
>
> Eddie
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:08:22 -0200
> From: "Fernando M Lacerda" <fernandomlac at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Serious help is needed with debugging what wrong with our
> system sounds.
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion"
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> <50f78ca50801290608g5b241783t5398eab9eb2de520 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Jan 28, 2008 9:30 PM, Luis de Bethencourt <luisbg at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > OK guys... Let me throw some cold water to this debate and clarify
> > things since I know where everybody is coming from.
> >
> > Cory K., as myself is tired of a lack of quid pro cuo from the
> > community. We deal in a daily basis with people with a lot of sudden
> > motivation to help, that need to learn a lot. Which don't get me
> > wrong, it isn't bad, we all were newcomers when we started but we grab
> > their hand and spend a lot of our time helping this newcomers to see
> > them just disappear a few days later.
> >
> > I suppose everybody here has some IRC experience... it is the
> > development example of when in a support channel, somebody comes in
> > without reading the manual, machine guns questions about his problem,
> > expects quick and extensive replies, and when he gets his problem
> > fixed he just logs off from irc and bye bye for ever. no writing down
> > the fix somewhere other people can find it, no staying around the irc
> > channel to help other newcomers.
> >
> > We Ubuntu Studio developers, and Ubuntu developers in general are
> > volunteers. So just imagine how frustrating it can be to loose time
> > frequently with this people.
> >
> > Meaning no offence to thomas fischer I can tell he hasn't even done a
> > launchpad search, and he comes and asks Cory to explain him the
> > problem into detail. Stating he doesn't have time, well, we don't too
> > and here comes Cory's reply...
> > "When you're willing to help, I'll answer. I get more than enough
> > "suggestions" on a daily basis."
> >
> > Maybe the word selection was not correct. What he means is please
> > research, use your time and offer me a solution. Just not come along,
> > ask me to stop and answer 5 questions, and try something this list
> > which contains some stuff that has already been done.
> >
> > My respect to Fernando, he proves interest too bad he lacks the
> > technical knowledge, I do sincerely hope he finds it very fun, enjoys
> > it and learns from it.
>
> Thanks, Luis. I'm finding it fun, already, though there's still a lot
> to learn and experience. Hope someday I will be capable of helping in
> a more active way.
>
> >
> > About Eddie, show some respect please. Free software is a meritocratic
> > system. Please don't come here trying to get a flame war started, go
> > contribute as best as you can in the project that you like best.
> >
> > Now throw the rocks at me if you like...
> >
> > Luis de Bethencourt
> >
>
> About what's running on this topic, I prefer to think tha Cory's been
> having some bad days. Who doesn't? Or, maybe, his e-mail account has
> been hijacked... :)
> Well, serious now, looking back through this list, I can see that Cory
> is mostly polite, and that he indeed does a lot for Ubuntu Studio. I
> really didn't like Cory's tone in these recent messages, but I know I
> could have written something just like that if I got pissed. I don't
> expect any appologies. I'd juts like to give my advice (and this is
> for _everybody_) to _ALWAYS_ think before you write. Emotions are hard
> to get in text messages, what makes all this a bit harder.
>
> Alea jacta est! What is done is done. Let's put this discussion aside
> and look forward to the better development and usage of Ubuntu Studio.
>
> Regards,
>
> Fernando L.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:20:15 -0500
> From: "Cory K." <coryisatm at nc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: on the subject of helping out with ubuntu
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users Help and Discussion
> <ubuntu-studio-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID: <479F361F.2050307 at nc.rr.com>
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>
> Eddie Armstrong wrote:
> > Yvan Vander Sanden wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 08:11 -0500, Cory K. wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Contrary or not, I'm human. I get pissed and I will say something. This
> >>> whole bullshit POV where I'm not allowed to say something when I'm
> >>> pissed is crap but users on lists can? Naa... I ain't gonna do it. I'm
> >>> "human" like the rest of ya. ;)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I for one think that's a fair answer :-)
> >>
> >>
> > I don't think anybody can reserve the right to talk to others however
> > they like without consequences.
> > Isn't Cory adult enough to behave properly and apologise?
> > Please read this and then tell me if Cory's behaviour is acceptable
> > Code of Conduct <http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct>
> >
> > Eddie
>
> I thought you were done? Lets not pull this into yet another thread. I
> split off the other one on purpose and I guess yet again nobody cared
> and continued in the original sound thread. (the one nobody has still
> stepped up and said "I will help. I have the time")
>
> So keep Yvan's thread on topic and continue in another if you must.
>
> Yvan, I'm in process of replying to your original post and will post it
> soon-ish. ;)
>
> -Cory
>
>
>
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