PC x Mac

Tue Dec 2 20:30:13 GMT 2008

Um, I'll dissent on this point. Apple has taken from BSD'ed and GPL'ed
projects and has contributed fixes and mods to them on a regular basis;
Linux projects benefit from them. I call that "giving back", but only
because of their own benefit from mutual tit-for-tat contributions.

The fact that they don't fully open-source or Linux/X11-port their own
in-house projects says more about the secretive, relatively isolationary and
highly-aloof (and, dare I say, technologically-bigoted) nature of the
company than about any particular antagonism towards open source projects.
Apple only ports apps to Windows so far as what will allow them to
indirectly glean investment into their own hardware platform(s):
QuickTime/Bonjour for the benefit of Mac users' video entertainment (why
else do you think QuickTime on Windows is seen in a similarly-negative light
to Adobe Acrobat Reader, while QuickTime on Mac is much more easy to use?),
Safari for iPhone (mobile website design), iTunes for iPod (iTunes store).
Nothing else for Windows, and all of these apps being piss-poor on Windows
compared to their Mac versions.

I see Apple as being alot like Prince: secretive, rabidly antagonistic over
any perceived loss of control, focused on exclusively-personal long-term
goals that discount other people and their needs.

They'd have to be extremely hard-pressed to open anything of their own
proprietary branding or making to open-source developers (even on OS X), and
I think that they're still under the impression that Linux/X11 desktops are
not a significant force on the desktop computer, even compared to their own
minority marketshare.

Apple's interesting. Weird, but interesting.

Rayne

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Active Accounts
<active.accounts at gmail.com>wrote:

>  Ok... I've held my tongue on this long enough... :P
>
> I won't reiterate what has already been said, I saw the email come across
> about a week ago and it made a solid point. Apple's company strategy
> resembles the hunting tactics of leeches. They have taken everything from
> Open Source, built their entire company upon it and gave _nothing_ back.
> Name one application that Apple has developed and ported over to Linux.
> Hell, they haven't even ported iTunes over...
>
> Personally, I don't want to invest into that type of environment... I care
> where my money goes and I choose to support business models that promote
> human interest instead of degrade it. So, if I can do the same job in Open
> Source... consider it done - it may be harder, or it may take a bit more
> time... and I'm okay with that because in the end I know that my pocket book
> did not feed the beast.
>
> I used to think Apple was better than Microsoft, in terms of business
> practices and ethics, and now I can see they are the same... if not worse. I
> will have nothing to do with any of them...
>
> *descends from soap box*
>
> Ciao,
>
> Daniel
>
>  On Tuesday 02 December 2008 03:53:16 Karoliina Salminen wrote:
>
> > Hi,
>
> >
>
> > Well, there was the discussion about laptops... "I use this and I swear
> on
>
> > it". Well, I have a gadget freak's solution: have them all. As a result,
> I
>
> > don't swear on any particular machine and the only ones of them I
>
> > really love of them are all Apple hardware. I don't really look for
>
> > the processing power only, but the complete product - I have plenty of
>
> > processing power available at hand. For example, the iMac which I use
>
> > for the most heavy music production, is only 2.6 GHz Core2 Duo, and so
>
> > far the CPU hasn't run out in my music even if I am running dozens of
>
> > software synthesizers and audio tracks at the same time with the Space
>
> > Designer per part (the convolution reverb, I remember the time when I
>
> > had a Pentium3 - 400 MHz, and all the CPU got used for calculating
>
> > just one convolution reverb and there was a huge latency on it, now I
>
> > can have about as many of convolution reverbs at one time than I ever
>
> > want, and the CPU is not yet even fully utilized). What it comes to
>
> > loving one machine, one feature of a old PC is that it has absolutely
>
> > no lasting feel to it, after 10 years, the PC is just junk and trash.
>
> > The Apple machine is beautiful, and feels retro cool after 10 years. I
>
> > don't love any of the PCs I have. They are just boring tools where GPU
>
> > model and CPU model counts and when they get old, they have no value
>
> > of any kind (neither emotional nor practical).
>
> >
>
> > I am regularly using the following laptops:
>
> > - Apple Macbook (2.2 GHz, 4GB RAM, 250 GB HD) (MacOSX + Ubuntu) [Hardy]
>
> > - Apple Macbook (2.0 GHz, 4GB RAM, 250 GB HD) (MacOSX)
>
> > - Apple Macbook Pro (4GB RAM, 250 GB HD) (MacOSX + Ubuntu) [Hardy]
>
> > - Lenovo Thinkpad T61p (4GB RAM, 160 GB HD) (Ubuntu) [Intrepid] [for
>
> > software development]
>
> > - Lenovo Thinkpad X61s (uh oh, the ugly and evil OS, this is for some
>
> > work bureaucracy)
>
> > - Lenovo Thinkpad T60 (Ubuntu) [Hardy] [for software development]
>
> > - Dell Latitude D600 x 2 (no longer in active use) (Ubuntu) [Hardy]
>
> > [for software development]
>
> > - Some IBM T40s.
>
> > - One T40 or something like that monitors our home automation (we have
>
> > computer controlled lights for example, lights can be switched on and
>
> > off from Linux console (we are slowly making progress with the
>
> > graphical user interface))
>
> > + dozen of old laptops which no longer are very usable (these have
>
> > either Ubuntu or Suse in them)
>
> >
>
> > At home we have desktops as follows (that are in use):
>
> > - Intel Core2 Quad, 4GB, 2.4 GHz, 1 TB, Geforce 8800 GTX 768MB,
>
> > St-audio DSP2000 x 2. 30" 2560x1600 Dell monitor. Running Ubuntu
>
> > Studio. [Hardy] [living room general purpose machine, with music
>
> > production capabilities]
>
> > - Intel Core2 Duo, 4GB, 2 GHz, ~2 TB, GeForce 8600 GT. Planned to be
>
> > replaced with Intel Core7. Connected to 1920x1200 monitor and HD video
>
> > projector (which is in the home theater room). Running regular Ubuntu.
>
> > [Hardy] [Home-theater PC and file server]
>
> > - AMD Athlon 64, 2.2 GHz, 4 GB, 500 GB, server, running in text mode,
>
> > Running Ubuntu server. [Hardy]
>
> > - Apple iMac 20" 2.6 GHz, with second 24" monitor attached with
>
> > resolution 1920x1200. The iMac has 500 GB internal drive. Running
>
> > MacOSX and music software (Logic Studio/Logic Pro 8) [music
>
> > production, video editing/production, audio editing, 3D CAD]
>
> > - VIA Epia diskless PC running Linux-CNC (Ubuntu) [Hardy]
>
> >
>
> > No longer in use:
>
> > - previous server (reason: broken)
>
> > - previous file server (reason: broken)
>
> >
>
> > Then of course, we have a pile of broken hard disks, etc. And we are
>
> > frequently giving out old hardware for free to a friend of ours who
>
> > removes and reuses the components (I mean, the resistors, capacitors
>
> > etc., not the full computer components which are usually broken at
>
> > that time) from them.
>
> >
>
> > Handheld computers (only computers count, I do not count my phone or
>
> > iPod to them):
>
> > - Nokia 770 x couple [Maemo Debian]
>
> > - Nokia N800 x couple [Maemo Debian]
>
> > - Nokia N810 x 2 [Maemo Debian]
>
> >
>
> > -- Karoliina
>
>
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