[ubuntu-studio-devel] Fwd: Re: Package Selection for Yakketi Yak

[lukefromdc at hushmail.com]

BTW, Kdenlive is actually not as tied into KDE as it used to be, 
probably due to how the KDE Framework 5 system is set up. I
have enough of KF5 and QT5 installed to build Kdenlive but it
I tell Synaptic to pull in kde-plasma-desktop it would use nearly 
another 139MB on disk, so that's a lot of packages no longer needed.

On 4/26/2016 at 2:28 PM, "Jimmy Sjölund" <jimmy at sjolund.se> wrote:
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>Seems like I only replied to Luke below and not to the list.
>
>Also I have now spent some, not so successful, time with pitivi. I 
>think the video for 1.0 looks very good but the current version 
>0.95 is not no way near being ready or a competitor to kdenlive.
>
>I tried my usual workflow by adding three videos and one audio 
>track to make a music video. Just adding more channels / layers 
>than fitted in the window turned out to be quite hard. Then I 
>noticed undo didn't work. It turns out the undo/redo is turned off 
>for 0.95.
>There is no way to mute audio in video files. The solution 
>suggested is to separate the audio and video and then delete the 
>audio. That is a no go for syncing music playing in the video with 
>the actual mixed audio file. You need both to be able to sync 
>correctly and mute is then essential. So, I didn't explore further 
>with actually syncing the videos or do transitions as if these 
>basic features are not possible there is no way to use it for 
>anything that needs to sync videos with an external audio.
>
>/Jimmy
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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Jimmy Sjölund
>Date: On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 08:28
>Subject: Fwd: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Package Selection for 
>Yakketi Yak
>To: <lukefromdc at hushmail.com>
>CC:
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>wrote:
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>On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 20:51, <'lukefromdc at hushmail.com'> wrote:
>Kdenlive just keeps getting better and better. Version 16.04 just 
>came out
>with all the features of 15.12 and a whole lot more. The last 
>round of updates
>apparently was guided by some professional video makers in terms 
>of features
>added. By the time Yakkety comes out 16.08 will be out, 
>development is
>continuing.
>
>On 4/25/2016 at 2:49 PM, "Len Ovens" <len at ovenwerks.net> wrote:
>>
>>On Mon, 25 Apr 2016, Set Hallstrom wrote:
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>>> I think we should be looking at our video sequencers. I just got
>>this link
>>> from zequence:
>>>
>>https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Policy#Selecting_preinstalled
>_
>>packages
>>> that states: "No duplication of tools: If two applications do
>>the same exact
>>> thing, only one of them should be included."
>>>
>>> Atm we have 4 video sequencers:
>>> Blender, Kdenliv, Pitivi and openshots.
>>>
>>> Blender does quite a lot of things that non of the other 3 does,
>>so it is not
>>> up for removal. I always got the feeling that kdenlive is a more
>>complete and
>>
>>Blender also fills another spot in graphics (3d creation) and so
>>remains
>>for that as well. However the learning curve is high and so there
>>are
>>other choices.
>>
>>> professional VSE than pitivi and openshots. I wanted to state
>>that there
>>> would be a choice between the 2 basic VSE's that are good for
>>beginners:
>>> openshots and pitivi, but it seems pitivi has come a long way
>>lately. Perhaps
>>> that means it would be good to keep openshot for beginners, and
>>put our
>>> choice between kdelive en pitivi?
>>
>>If there is something that can fill the spot that kdenlive, That
>>would be
>>a good choice. If it was possible to not have KDE apps at all that
>>would
>>be preferable, but including them because there is nothing else as
>>good is
>>better than picking second best.
>>
>>Video is not my area (at least video editing) as I don't do enough
>>of it.
>
>(Disclaimer. I'm sorry that my iOS client mess up the formatting 
>of my response) It's been a while since I edited videos and I'm by 
>no means near any professional work. I haven't tried pitivi 
>recently but will give it a spin. Before it was not up to speed 
>with kdenlive. Great for easy editing of home videos, like 
>openshot, but nothing more advanced. That might have changed, then 
>again the latest developments in kdenlive looks really good. I'm 
>still leaning towards kdenlive being the best "advanced" editor 
>and to evaluate openshot vs pitivi. But we'll see. As long as 
>kdenlive doesn't get too tied into KDE though... /Jimmy