[ubuntu-studio-devel] ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 77, Issue 13
Zak
madeinkobaia at gmail.com
Wed Sep 18 19:35:44 UTC 2013
I am completely dismayed by Ralf Mardorf comments.
So :
- I previously posted this wallpaper the 6th September on the dev-list, its
a little late (strange ?) to post such a negative remark on this work few
hours between the freeze.
- About the concept : its a damn and a little bit "cliché" wallpaper. Just
the ubuntu COF logo whose certainly indeed a huge symbol of fanaticism :
http://askubuntu.com/questions/42724/whats-the-meaning-of-the-ubuntu-logo-where-does-it-come-fromand
"ubuntu studio" text using a square font called "Basica" : now maybe
any right angle induce a "neo-nazi" feel by your side ?
- My family was both victim of nazis and communists, the horrors I heard
constructed my fundamentals and a huge reject of any kind of extremisms, so
unlike many people, its not just a comfortable "mind set" by my side. Any
kind of extremisms are grounded on simple thoughts and observations :
manicheism is a part of it. I consider my self as an humanist and militates
for a thing whose seams to be rare in our time : a complex tough.
- I took a look on the "golden dawn" symbol from the link you added (I am
sorry I don't know it "through by through")...so what ?...try to add a
circle on it and find a combination who could match with this wallpaper.
For conclude :
- There is a saying who means : "who never commit the evil don't know what
it is". Thats why I don't understand this kind of comments.
Regards.
madeinkobaia
Digital Artist -Ubuntu Studio Art Team Leader
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> 1. Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (Zak)
> 2. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
> (Ralf Mardorf)
> 3. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
> (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
> 4. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
> (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
> 5. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
> (Ralf Mardorf)
> 6. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper
> proposition RC1
> (Ralf Mardorf)
> 7. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1
> (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
> 8. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper
> proposition RC1
> (lukefromdc at hushmail.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:20:23 +0200
> From: Zak <madeinkobaia at gmail.com>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper
> proposition RC1
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> Hi fellows,
>
> Here the RC2 version for the 13.10 default wallpaper :
>
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png
>
> New things on this RC2 version :
> - I added volume and relief effects in the COF area.
> - I added a gradient effect on "ubuntu" text.
>
> Cheers,
>
> madeinkobaia
> Digital Artist - Ubuntu Studio Art Team Leader
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> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:09:36 +0200
> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default
> wallpaper proposition RC1
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> On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote:
> >
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png
>
> I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like capitalism.
> Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when taking a
> brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn",
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other possible
> variations of the swastika.
>
> Apart from this I like it.
>
> 2 Cents,
> Ralf
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:02:12 +0100
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
> <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default
> wallpaper proposition RC1
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> Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to make
> a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people from
> Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn
> at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched
> against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity protest.
>
> In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol
> misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt drawn up
> without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses
> a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in the heads
> of 4
> hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just
> murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3 as
> well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the
> hole.
>
> The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that serious
> trouble
> was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow
> activists,
> mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and new
> controversy of this type could be extremely destructive, especially if the
> South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history there.
>
> Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not only
> like a
> swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK "circle of murderers."
> That one
> appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980.
>
> No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use, accidental or
> otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or modified into
> a symbol of the racist far right.
>
> On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote:
> >> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-
> >resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-
> >_by_madeinkobaia.png
> >
> >I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like
> >capitalism.
> >Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when
> >taking a
> >brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn",
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other
> >possible
> >variations of the swastika.
> >
> >Apart from this I like it.
> >
> >2 Cents,
> >Ralf
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:06:40 +0100
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
> <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default
> wallpaper proposition RC1
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>
> The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the
> Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio." Most likely
> someone would not notice this until it was partially covered by an
> open window, then they might be furious.
>
> My advice is to change the font of the large text to remove the
> Golden Dawn similarities, and lose the barcode. The defaut
> wallpaper is what everyone sees when they try out or first install
> a distro, it must not be deemed offensive by anyone.
>
> On 09/18/2013 at 2:02 PM, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> >
> >Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to
> >make
> >a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people
> >from
> >Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn
> >at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched
> >against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity
> >protest.
> >
> >In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol
> >misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt
> >drawn up
> >without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses
> >a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in
> >the heads of 4
> >hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just
> >murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3
> >as
> >well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the
> >hole.
> >
> >The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that
> >serious trouble
> >was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow
> >activists,
> >mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and
> >new
> >controversy of this type could be extremely destructive,
> >especially if the
> >South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history
> >there.
> >
> >Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not
> >only like a
> >swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK "circle of
> >murderers." That one
> >appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980.
> >
> >No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use,
> >accidental or
> >otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or
> >modified into
> >a symbol of the racist far right.
> >
> >On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-
> >dsl.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote:
> >>> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-
> >>resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-
> >>_by_madeinkobaia.png
> >>
> >>I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like
> >>capitalism.
> >>Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when
> >>taking a
> >>brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn",
> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece) and other
> >>possible
> >>variations of the swastika.
> >>
> >>Apart from this I like it.
> >>
> >>2 Cents,
> >>Ralf
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:15:20 +0200
> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default
> wallpaper proposition RC1
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> On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:02 +0100, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> [snip]
>
> It's an issue for design, the native swastika isn't an evil symbol, but
> we all know that idiots made it a symbol for idiocy and evil. I didn't
> know that the KKK has a symbol close to the COF. Can you post a link?
>
> The problem with the wallpaper is, that it's dark and perception could
> play a prank. I'm uncertain, if this is a serious issue, or if we can
> ignore this. When taking an extensive look at the wallpaper, it's clear
> that it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn and btw. I'm a dyslexic,
> this is a perceptual disorder regarding to signs, such as letters and
> seemingly for other symbols too.
>
> Perhaps my perception is not a good reference. How do you value the
> wallpaper?
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:18:44 +0200
> From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> To: ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default
> wallpaper proposition RC1
> Message-ID: <1379528324.2464.18.camel at archlinux>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:06 +0100, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> > The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the
> > Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio."
>
> I guess we didn't see the same wallpaper :D. It was the background of an
> "u" that confused me, there isn't a visible "s" on my screen :D.
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:31:28 +0100
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
> <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default
> wallpaper proposition RC1
> Message-ID: <20130918183129.3062F60191 at smtp.hushmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Right now I Startpage cannot find a link to that symbol. My search
> skills, though,
> leave much to be desired.
>
> I've seen this "KKK circle" in bathroom graffiti, heard it discussed in
> person, but never seen it online.
> It is different, though only by a little, from the KKK's official symbol
> which is a circle with a heavy
> cross in it and a drop of blood in the center. It symbolizes four Klansmen
> looking down a manhole
> at a person who they have just murdered, but apparently is not an OFFICAL
> Klan symbol. I don't
> think ANY of my African-American friends would not know exactly what it is.
>
> To draw the symbol in question, first draw a circle, then quarter it. Mark
> 8 dots near the center,
> so each quarter resembles eyeholes in a hood. I first encountered this in
> high school, seen it
> come up from time to time, last heard about it when the "Circle of
> Friends" issue came up
> around 2007, along with the "kkkubuntu" jokes inspired by the symbol and
> the Kubuntu name.
>
> On 09/18/2013 at 2:15 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:02 +0100, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> >[snip]
> >
> >It's an issue for design, the native swastika isn't an evil
> >symbol, but
> >we all know that idiots made it a symbol for idiocy and evil. I
> >didn't
> >know that the KKK has a symbol close to the COF. Can you post a
> >link?
> >
> >The problem with the wallpaper is, that it's dark and perception
> >could
> >play a prank. I'm uncertain, if this is a serious issue, or if we
> >can
> >ignore this. When taking an extensive look at the wallpaper, it's
> >clear
> >that it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn and btw. I'm a
> >dyslexic,
> >this is a perceptual disorder regarding to signs, such as letters
> >and
> >seemingly for other symbols too.
> >
> >Perhaps my perception is not a good reference. How do you value the
> >wallpaper?
> >
> >Regards,
> >Ralf
> >
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:32:29 +0100
> From: lukefromdc at hushmail.com
> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion"
> <ubuntu-studio-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default
> wallpaper proposition RC1
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>
> The "S" is on the far left, just right of the the vertical "Ubuntu" letters
>
> On 09/18/2013 at 2:19 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:06 +0100, lukefromdc at hushmail.com wrote:
> >> The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the
> >> Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio."
> >
> >I guess we didn't see the same wallpaper :D. It was the background
> >of an
> >"u" that confused me, there isn't a visible "s" on my screen :D.
> >
> >
> >
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