<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I am completely dismayed by Ralf Mardorf comments. </div><div>So : </div><div> </div>- I previously posted this wallpaper the 6th September on the dev-list, its a little late (strange ?) to post such a negative remark on this work few hours between the freeze. </div>- About the concept : its a damn and a little bit "cliché" wallpaper. Just the ubuntu COF logo whose certainly indeed a huge symbol of fanaticism : <a href="http://askubuntu.com/questions/42724/whats-the-meaning-of-the-ubuntu-logo-where-does-it-come-from">http://askubuntu.com/questions/42724/whats-the-meaning-of-the-ubuntu-logo-where-does-it-come-from</a> and "ubuntu studio" text using a square font called "Basica" : now maybe any right angle induce a "neo-nazi" feel by your side ? </div>- My family was both victim of nazis and communists, the horrors I heard constructed my fundamentals and a huge reject of any kind of extremisms, so unlike many people, its not just a comfortable "mind set" by my side. Any kind of extremisms are grounded on simple thoughts and observations : manicheism is a part of it. I consider my self as an humanist and militates for a thing whose seams to be rare in our time : a complex tough. </div> </div>- I took a look on the "golden dawn" symbol from the link you added (I am sorry I don't know it "through by through")...so what ?...try to add a circle on it and find a combination who could match with this wallpaper. </div>For conclude : - There is a saying who means : "who never commit the evil don't know what it is". Thats why I don't understand this kind of comments. </div>Regards. <div><div><table class=""><tbody><tr><td> </td><td> </td><td style="width:100%"> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"> <div><div dir="ltr"><div> <div>madeinkobaia </div>Digital Artist -Ubuntu Studio Art Team Leader </div><div><div> </div></div></div></div> <div class="gmail_quote">2013/9/18 <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com" target="_blank">ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Send ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list submissions to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel-request@lists.ubuntu.com</a> You can reach the person managing the list at <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel-owner@lists.ubuntu.com</a> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-studio-devel digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (Zak) 2. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (Ralf Mardorf) 3. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (<a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a>) 4. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (<a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a>) 5. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (Ralf Mardorf) 6. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (Ralf Mardorf) 7. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (<a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a>) 8. Re: Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 (<a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a>) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 14:20:23 +0200 From: Zak <<a href="mailto:madeinkobaia@gmail.com">madeinkobaia@gmail.com</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <CAMioq8xvbt-5YpcY52MU_tGmWRY+Ug7Ezux=<a href="mailto:sKBVXT0zZYJiew@mail.gmail.com">sKBVXT0zZYJiew@mail.gmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi fellows, Here the RC2 version for the 13.10 default wallpaper : <a href="http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png" target="_blank">http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png</a> New things on this RC2 version : - I added volume and relief effects in the COF area. - I added a gradient effect on "ubuntu" text. Cheers, madeinkobaia Digital Artist - Ubuntu Studio Art Team Leader -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <<a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/attachments/20130918/1b4ae8df/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/attachments/20130918/1b4ae8df/attachment-0001.html</a>> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 15:09:36 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <1379509776.716.13.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: > <a href="http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png" target="_blank">http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_-_by_madeinkobaia.png</a> I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like capitalism. Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when taking a brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn", <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)</a> and other possible variations of the swastika. Apart from this I like it. 2 Cents, Ralf ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:02:12 +0100 From: <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20130918180212.615926018E@smtp.hushmail.com">20130918180212.615926018E@smtp.hushmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to make a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people from Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity protest. In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt drawn up without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in the heads of 4 hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3 as well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the hole. The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that serious trouble was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow activists, mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and new controversy of this type could be extremely destructive, especially if the South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history there. Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not only like a swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK "circle of murderers." That one appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980. No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use, accidental or otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or modified into a symbol of the racist far right. On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> wrote: > >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: >> <a href="http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-" target="_blank">http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-</a> >resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_- >_by_madeinkobaia.png > >I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like >capitalism. >Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when >taking a >brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn", ><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)</a> and other >possible >variations of the swastika. > >Apart from this I like it. > >2 Cents, >Ralf > > > >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ><a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: ><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:06:40 +0100 From: <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20130918180640.B09326018E@smtp.hushmail.com">20130918180640.B09326018E@smtp.hushmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio." Most likely someone would not notice this until it was partially covered by an open window, then they might be furious. My advice is to change the font of the large text to remove the Golden Dawn similarities, and lose the barcode. The defaut wallpaper is what everyone sees when they try out or first install a distro, it must not be deemed offensive by anyone. On 09/18/2013 at 2:02 PM, <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> wrote: > >Any mistaken association with the Golden Dawn would be enough to >make >a LOT of enemies, most of my friends included. I've met people >from >Greece who have fought in street battles against the Golden Dawn >at considerable risk of personal harm, even death. I have marched >against the Golden Dawn myself in a Washington DC solidarity >protest. > >In addition, Ubuntu as a whole has had a prior problem with symbol >misinterpretation. The 3 person circle of friends was do doubt >drawn up >without knowledge that the KKK in the United States sometimes uses >a circle divided into quarters, with 8 dots representing eyes in >the heads of 4 >hooded Klansmen looking down a manhole at someone they have just >murdered. I've seen the KKK symbol done with 3 heads instead of 3 >as >well, even just as three of their murderous hoods looking down the >hole. > >The Ubuntu symbol is enough different (heads on outside) that >serious trouble >was averted, but it is something I have heard discussed by fellow >activists, >mostly Ubuntu users themselves but one on FreeBSD. A second and >new >controversy of this type could be extremely destructive, >especially if the >South Africa connection was thus thought to be to the Boer history >there. > >Interestingly, an early, superseded Golden Dawn symbol looked not >only like a >swastika, but also like the above-mentioned KKK "circle of >murderers." That one >appeared on their first magazine cover in 1980. > >No part of the Ubuntu ecosystem will benefit from a new use, >accidental or >otherwise, of any symbol or image that can be mistaken as or >modified into >a symbol of the racist far right. > >On 09/18/2013 at 9:09 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf@alice- ><a href="http://dsl.net" target="_blank">dsl.net</a>> wrote: >> >>On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 14:20 +0200, Zak wrote: >>> <a href="http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-" target="_blank">http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-</a> >>resources/art/view/head:/ubuntu-studio_1310_RC2_wallpaper_01_a_- >>_by_madeinkobaia.png >> >>I would remove the barcode, it's disgusting, smells like >>capitalism. >>Take care that the covered letters can't be misinterpreted when >>taking a >>brief look, in this case e.g. with the sign of the "Golden Dawn", >><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dawn_(Greece)</a> and other >>possible >>variations of the swastika. >> >>Apart from this I like it. >> >>2 Cents, >>Ralf >> >> >> >>-- >>ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list >><a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >>Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> > > >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ><a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: ><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:15:20 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <1379528120.2464.16.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:02 +0100, <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> wrote: [snip] It's an issue for design, the native swastika isn't an evil symbol, but we all know that idiots made it a symbol for idiocy and evil. I didn't know that the KKK has a symbol close to the COF. Can you post a link? The problem with the wallpaper is, that it's dark and perception could play a prank. I'm uncertain, if this is a serious issue, or if we can ignore this. When taking an extensive look at the wallpaper, it's clear that it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn and btw. I'm a dyslexic, this is a perceptual disorder regarding to signs, such as letters and seemingly for other symbols too. Perhaps my perception is not a good reference. How do you value the wallpaper? Regards, Ralf ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 20:18:44 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> To: <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <1379528324.2464.18.camel@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:06 +0100, <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> wrote: > The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the > Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio." I guess we didn't see the same wallpaper :D. It was the background of an "u" that confused me, there isn't a visible "s" on my screen :D. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:31:28 +0100 From: <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20130918183129.3062F60191@smtp.hushmail.com">20130918183129.3062F60191@smtp.hushmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Right now I Startpage cannot find a link to that symbol. My search skills, though, leave much to be desired. I've seen this "KKK circle" in bathroom graffiti, heard it discussed in person, but never seen it online. It is different, though only by a little, from the KKK's official symbol which is a circle with a heavy cross in it and a drop of blood in the center. It symbolizes four Klansmen looking down a manhole at a person who they have just murdered, but apparently is not an OFFICAL Klan symbol. I don't think ANY of my African-American friends would not know exactly what it is. To draw the symbol in question, first draw a circle, then quarter it. Mark 8 dots near the center, so each quarter resembles eyeholes in a hood. I first encountered this in high school, seen it come up from time to time, last heard about it when the "Circle of Friends" issue came up around 2007, along with the "kkkubuntu" jokes inspired by the symbol and the Kubuntu name. On 09/18/2013 at 2:15 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> wrote: > >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:02 +0100, <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> wrote: >[snip] > >It's an issue for design, the native swastika isn't an evil >symbol, but >we all know that idiots made it a symbol for idiocy and evil. I >didn't >know that the KKK has a symbol close to the COF. Can you post a >link? > >The problem with the wallpaper is, that it's dark and perception >could >play a prank. I'm uncertain, if this is a serious issue, or if we >can >ignore this. When taking an extensive look at the wallpaper, it's >clear >that it has nothing to do with the Golden Dawn and btw. I'm a >dyslexic, >this is a perceptual disorder regarding to signs, such as letters >and >seemingly for other symbols too. > >Perhaps my perception is not a good reference. How do you value the >wallpaper? > >Regards, >Ralf > > >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ><a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: ><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:32:29 +0100 From: <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> To: "Ubuntu Studio Development & Technical Discussion" <<a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 - Default wallpaper proposition RC1 Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20130918183229.565A560191@smtp.hushmail.com">20130918183229.565A560191@smtp.hushmail.com</a>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The "S" is on the far left, just right of the the vertical "Ubuntu" letters On 09/18/2013 at 2:19 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <<a href="mailto:ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net">ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net</a>> wrote: > >On Wed, 2013-09-18 at 19:06 +0100, <a href="mailto:lukefromdc@hushmail.com">lukefromdc@hushmail.com</a> wrote: >> The part of the image that could most easily be mistaken for the >> Golden Dawn modified Swastika is the "S" in "Studio." > >I guess we didn't see the same wallpaper :D. It was the background >of an >"u" that confused me, there isn't a visible "s" on my screen :D. > > > >-- >ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ><a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> >Modify settings or unsubscribe at: ><a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> ------------------------------ -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com">ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com</a> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: <a href="https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel" target="_blank">https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel</a> End of ubuntu-studio-devel Digest, Vol 77, Issue 13 *************************************************** </blockquote></div> </div>