[ubuntu-studio-devel] Default search engine

Mike Holstein mikeh789 at gmail.com
Sun Sep 15 01:21:38 UTC 2013

On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 8:23 PM, <lukefromdc at hushmail.com> wrote:

> Google's logging of IP addresses gives them a searchable list of all
> searches from
> anyone using a static IP address, or a string of IP addresses forwarded by
> law
> enforcement. The static IP info can be sold to marketers, dynamic IP info
> will be
> available anytime an ISP cooperates or law enforcement gets a warrant
> (etc).
> When someone uses Startpage with HTTPS, Google has the search string but
> not the
> IP addresses. The user's ISP and anyone watching them get the IP address
> but not the
> search string. Even if the NSA has a backdoor into the SSL varient used,
> to get a warrant
> and use the search strings in court would require the NSA to show up in
> court and expose
> the back door.
> Therefore, when using Startpage, Google has only the strings, anyone else
> only the IP
> addresses, meaning NOBODY has the ability to search search strings by IP
> address and
> then sell it to a marketer or talk about it in court.

for me, i wont trust google, *or* startpage.. enjoy though.. and i'll get
behind whatever the team decides..

> On 09/14/2013 at 5:23 PM, "Ralf Mardorf" <ralf.mardorf at alice-dsl.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, 2013-09-14 at 16:39 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> >> lets try and keep this separated out and clear. moving away from
> >> google is just that, moving away from google. it has nothing to
> >do
> >> with the NSA alleged "spying".
> >
> >+1
> >
> >> i personally wouldn't mind a nag at first search with factual
> >links
> >> and a prompt to choose a preferred search provider.
> >
> >That's a good idea, but assumed it's not easy to provide, pro
> >https://startpage.com/ by Ixquick is speaking, that it does use
> >Google,
> >but claims to adds privacy and it's default family filter is a
> >minor
> >annoyance that comes with the advantage, that it's family
> >friendly. I
> >got very good results when using Start Page with family filter
> >enabled,
> >the only drawback are ads, but who cares, since those are the same
> >ads
> >that Google does list.
> >
> >Results are more or less the same as for a Google search, but while
> >Google collects private data, Start Page prevents against the data
> >collecting and while Google's default does search for sex and
> >violence,
> >it's filtered for Start Page's default settings.
> >
> >Google and all other famous search engines offend privacy, the only
> >engines I know, that pretend to respect privacy, are Duck Duck Go
> >and
> >Ixquick, but a Linux newbie is screwed when using those engines to
> >solve
> >a Linux issue. Google, resp. Start Page provide much better hits.
> >
> >I wonder that Google always is the default, IMO it doesn't fit
> >that good
> >to GNU, that's why I ask to replace Google by Start Page.
> >
> >For those who fear the NSA, regarding to protection against
> >intelligence
> >agencies or criminals, I've got doubts that Start Page is much more
> >secure and even while Start Page does claim
> >"The IP address that is associated with your search will NOT be
> >recorded", "We don't collect any personal information on our
> >visitors"
> >etc. it does benefit from Google, a company that does collect all
> >that
> >data, so ethically it still might be shady to use Start page
> >instead of
> >Google, but IMO Start Page is the successor of Scroogle, whereas
> >Scroogle never worked that good as Start Page does.
> >
> >2 Cents,
> >Ralf
> >
> >
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